…active ideas to go to the theater, to change the furniture around, to do this to do that he just wants to be still. James Joyce plays on this in Finnegan's wake, where he speaks of the husband as the sleeper and the wife is whispering to him after…

…relevance to contemporary circumstance of two of the greatest creative minds of the present century, namely Thomas Mann and James Joyce. I regard these as sort of matched heroes. Thomas Mann, proceeding from a Protestant base, and James Joyce from…

…Thomas Mann and James Joyce. I regard these as sort of matched heroes. Thomas Mann, proceeding from a Protestant base, and James Joyce from the roman Catholic, moved into the problems of the contemporary world in parallel courses neither as far as I know,…

…dislocated youth finding his art style and life form. These works appeared respectively in 1903 and 1904. It's just about that time that Joyce was working on the first drafts of what later became the portrait of the artist as a young man, and one version…

…right down into the mythological realm: Thomas Mann in his Joseph Novels, the great tetralogy of Joseph and his brothers, and James Joyce in Finnegan's wake. I'm not going to try to say anything about the Joseph Novels and Finnegan's wake, because that's a…

…tradition, practically ignorant of mythological forms and he discovers the play of mythological forms in the sphere of time. James Joyce comes from the opposite direction. Brought up as a Catholic, he is, in his childhood, introduced to mythological forms.…

…to enjoy you see the phenomenology of temporal life, and so Mann goes from those into the realm of mythological images. Joyce goes in the opposite direction. Well, to speak then briefly of Joyce's Adventure, the counterpart of Mann's which I've just…

…retreat conducted by a jesuit but believe me the sermon on hell is enough to turn you over and it did turn him over. What Joyce has done in presenting that sermon on hell is to present the whole job in such a way that you get it while reading it…

…Joyce's Theory of aesthetics is the most important clean, succinct theory of art that has been presented, and it was presented by James Joyce and this is the theory that stood up all through Ulysses and through Finnegan's wake and is the theory of the…

…by desire for the object a critical work is intended to make you loathe the society depicted works exciting desire, Joyce calls pornographic. Pornography is art that invokes your desire for the object depicted. That's the definition in Joyce's Terminology:…

…calls them didactic. They're teaching you something. Now we come to the definition of the crisis of the aesthetic stasis. Joyce takes his terms. Here from Thomas Aquinas. The aesthetic experience has three qualities it is. They are integritas, consonantia and…

…whether this is here or here, getting the balance. And when the balance is fortunate, we are fascinated by it. What Joyce calls the rhythm of beauty is the vehicle of art. When the harmony, the balance, the relationship is perfectly fortunately achieved,…

…fascinating you can hold you and evoke your whole spirit and you don't ask what's it for, it's simply again, tatagata thus come, and Joyce says: then you see that it is that object which it is and no other thing it is radiating its beauty that is the…

…being of existence in which death is part of the seed. Well these then are the two art approaches of Mann and Joyce Joyce stressing that eternal, grave and constant eve eternal, unchanging thing which is the world of the mythological forms and Mann…

…of existence in which death is part of the seed. Well these then are the two art approaches of Mann and Joyce Joyce stressing that eternal, grave and constant eve eternal, unchanging thing which is the world of the mythological forms and Mann stressing…

…and so forth and they'll help you to get out. I would like to know if Mann ever explicitly stated his formula the way Joyce did in Stephen's Essay. Oh yes, Mann has written quite a number of papers. In fact I don't know any author who has explicated…

…just for that reason. It's the Mann Nobody would like to hear about now but it's the one that gives his position now Joyce never did what Mann did. Joyce never tipped over and became propagandistic. When you read Finnegan's wake you find Mann at his…

…Mann Nobody would like to hear about now but it's the one that gives his position now Joyce never did what Mann did. Joyce never tipped over and became propagandistic. When you read Finnegan's wake you find Mann at his worst as well as at his noblest.…

…the metaphysical in his living. He will act as a man with moral judgments and so forth. This doesn't mean that Mann and Joyce were monsters, because they could absorb the monstrous in life. So you have your two aspects and this is, of course, the agony…

…civilization which we inherit the high myth as homer does for the great greeks or the mahabharata for the Indian world this I think is the prime myth of the western world. It turns up again in Mann, in Joyce and in one great writer after another.

…and so that's the one with you that's related to the zephyroth of the cambylion is it not? Yes that's the same one yeah, James Joyce plays on this in in I think it's page 308 of Finnegan's wake wake where he gives the series down with a whole game…

…meant a great, great deal to me but I don't know whether they're still in the wind. You know, one very important was James Joyce. The portrait of the artist as a young man, Ulysses, were two formative books for me, and along with them saying the same…

…to me I more or less named. And then back to those, there were certain philosophers who supported them so to say. For Joyce, Dante was a terribly important figure, and Aquinas those are men who understood symbols, the symbolic sense of the imagery of the…

…think that's an example of what we're talking about and I'd like to hear you know your experience that initial experience of James Joyce and then how you learned the symbology. Well I was in Paris as a student of Medieval Languages old French, Provençal,…

…Well I was in Paris as a student of Medieval Languages old French, Provençal, middle Eastern German and so forth and so on. And Joyce at that time this is back in 1927 28 Joyce was not known in this country. His Ulysses Wasn't permitted in this country…

…Languages old French, Provençal, middle Eastern German and so forth and so on. And Joyce at that time this is back in 1927 28 Joyce was not known in this country. His Ulysses Wasn't permitted in this country and we had no idea that he had already begun…

…these are the ones whom we call seers, and it's the function really of the poet and the artist to do exactly what Joyce and Picasso have done: push on into spiritual realms that are waiting to be found. Because our life situation is so radically…

…it would have required me to do things that I had already outgrown in Europe. The world had opened up as I said earlier, Joyce Among other things but more than that sanskrit and the orient and the relationship of all of this to psychology and all and…

…mean it was real tough, but they loved it. And here we are having it soft and many of us just think: oh gee as James Joyce says is life worth leaving? We we haven't learned to live it. And that's because I think of this it it, it of the mechanical…

…much about them. For me personally when I was growing up I had sports heroes but also the heroes of my intellectual life. James Joyce was one, Thomas Mann Another and I think people have those heroes now as well, private to each. It's a world where we…

…meant a great, great deal to me but I don't know whether they're still in the wind. You know, one very important was James Joyce the portrait of the artist as a young man, Ulysses were two formative books for me and along with them saying the same…

…to me I more or less named. And then back to those, there were certain philosophers who supported them so to say. For Joyce, Dante was a terribly important figure and Aquinas those are men who understood the symbolic sense of the imagery of the Christian…

…mean it was real tough, but they loved it and here we are having it soft and many of us just think: oh gee as James Joyce says is life worth leaving? We haven't learned to live it. And that's because I think of this it it, it of the mechanical…

…much about them. For me personally when I was growing up I had sports heroes, but also the heroes of my intellectual life. James Joyce was one, Thomas Mann Another and I think people have those heroes now as well. Private to each, it's a world where we…

…think that's an example of what we're talking about and I'd like to hear you know your experience that initial experience of James Joyce and then how you learned the symbology. Well I was in Paris as a student a student of Medieval Languages, old French,…

…in Paris as a student a student of Medieval Languages, old French, Provençal, little high German and so forth and so on. And Joyce at that time this is back in 1927 28 Joyce was not known in this country. His Ulysses Wasn't permitted in this country…

…Languages, old French, Provençal, little high German and so forth and so on. And Joyce at that time this is back in 1927 28 Joyce was not known in this country. His Ulysses Wasn't permitted in this country and we had no idea that he had already begun…

…these are the ones whom we call seers, and it's the function really of the poet and the artist to do exactly what Joyce and Picasso have done: push on into spiritual realms that are waiting to be found because our life situation is so radically changing…

…it would have required me to do things that I had already outgrown in Europe. The world had opened up as I said earlier, Joyce Among other things but more than that sanskrit and the orient and the relationship of all of this to psychology and all and…

…art in Paris dealing with these same themes Picasso's Full of them for example, clay is marvelous this way. And there I discovered James Joyce, Who's Somebody I've spent a long time working with and he was one who helped me to see how all these things…

…things he's done for humanity and his wife abuses all these critics of him and so forth and so on and you can just see Joyce shows that all of us in a way are in this sense both guilty and worthy of compassion. I think that's the amazing thing about…

…of the formula represented in the rites of passage separation, initiation, return which might be named the nuclear unit of what James Joyce called in Finnegan's wake the monomyth. A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of…

…them but nothing else to do with them. And then the next idea was to put him to sleep and take out his little soul girl, as Joyce calls her the cutlet sized consort. And when he woke up out of this trance or did he wake up or has any of us ever…

…to me in New York and said he'd like to have me come there and give a lecture on anything about schizophrenia. How would James Joyce be? And he said well that would be just fine. So you can come and give a whole series of lectures on James Joyce,…

…would James Joyce be? And he said well that would be just fine. So you can come and give a whole series of lectures on James Joyce, but I want you to give a lecture on schizophrenia anyhow. Well I thought: well okay you know in a certain way and he…

…the first point that I propose to make. I take most of my good points having to do with mythology and literature from James Joyce. The student who has opened the portrait of the artist as a young man probably skipped the title page. But on the title…

…artist as a young man probably skipped the title page. But on the title page is a clue to the whole career of James Joyce. There's a little motto in the upper right corner: et iniotas animum dimittit in artes, and there's a reference: Arvid 15: 188 and…

…to follow his own spirit and also to move away from this little local Province of Crete to the mainland. Now we know that Joyce moved away from the little local Province of Ireland to the mainland. At the end of the portrait he complains that this is…

…toward religion, toward symbols, and very often the symbols are not interpreted properly as symbols but are read as facts. Joyce flew from Ireland to the mainland. Joyce flew from the provincial inflection of the general mythology of humanity to the…

…often the symbols are not interpreted properly as symbols but are read as facts. Joyce flew from Ireland to the mainland. Joyce flew from the provincial inflection of the general mythology of humanity to the general, from the provincial to the whole. Now…

…is what the artist must learn and by the way the best instruction I know in what proper art is all about is in James Joyce Portrait of the artist as a young man. About the last third of it you have the heroes Stephen Dedalus discussing the nature of…

…the message and putting a little juicy touch to it to keep you reading all this dry stuff. So the proper art is as Joyce says, static. It holds you in aesthetic arrest simply with the recognition of the radiance of that thing which is there and I…

…and what he wants deep inside is just to be left alone. And then this aromatic mystery goes past and he is stirred, as James Joyce says in Finnegan's wake. She whispers to him of such and such and so and so, and he thinks, well it would be nice…

…at all about schizophrenia, I phoned and said: mike I don't know anything about schizophrenia. How would it be if I lectured on James Joyce? And he said that would be fine. But he said I'd like to give a lecture on schizophrenia just the same, and so…

…take the psychological point of view. The male is inactive until activated by this passing phenomenon who says and I'm quoting now James Joyce who uses this same image in Finnegan's wake the woman is the activating principle, the male is as I say he's…

…the energy is thought of or experienced as at REST, we call it brahman. As soon as it is in movement, that's maya. So James Joyce plays on this in Ulysses, Molly bloom has shifted all the furniture around in the room so that when bloom comes home a…

…and its relationship to my interest in mythology took place there. The rage in Paris in the 1920s was a book by James Joyce entitled Ulysses and Campbell could not understand it. He turned to sylvia beach, Joyce's Publisher. She gave Campbell Clues to the…

…not understand it. He turned to sylvia beach, Joyce's Publisher. She gave Campbell Clues to the book's seemingly impenetrable structure. Joyce, like Picasso, was using mythological themes to Express a modern vision. It was a revelation to Campbell. While in…

…spend a year studying old French and the arthurian romances. Soon after he arrived he bought a copy of Ulysses by James Joyce, then notorious and banned in the United States. Like many readers before and since Campbell was overwhelmed by the dense prose…

…at the myth making power of art, Campbell would frequently point to two of the great modernist authors. The first, of course was Joyce the second was Thomas Mann, who may be less widely known in the English speaking world but who had very much the same…

…in September 1929, his mind was bursting with what he had learned and how all of it, from the novels of Mann and Joyce to the Hindu Scripture to the psychology of Freud and Jung, informed his understanding of the arthurian legends that he was studying.…

…in the first half of this century this was a wonderful period in the arts. I'm going later to be talking about Joyce and Joyce and Mann Completely ignorant of each other, went through simultaneously a transition in their novels, in their writing from what…

…first half of this century this was a wonderful period in the arts. I'm going later to be talking about Joyce and Joyce and Mann Completely ignorant of each other, went through simultaneously a transition in their novels, in their writing from what might…

…time. It took him a long time to build up for Mann as he went into the material now interesting in contrast is that Joyce was a Catholic, Irish Catholic, and Thomas Mann had been brought up a German Protestant. Now a Catholic is brought up in a…

…religion. And so Mann comes gradually into a realization of the mythological depths and what they implied in all. This gave Joyce a kind of advantage there that he was a professional in mythological thinking right from infancy and Mann comes gradually into…

…explaining the implication of his mythology. He gives you the image and then there's an interpretation that's given you one way or another. Joyce does nothing of the kind Joyce just gives it to you bing like that and you've got to work into it. So I…

…of the world. So this is it. How do you explain what the psychologist Maslow calls peak experiences and what your friend James Joyce called epiphanies I love that word epiphanies oh well they're not quite the same. The peak experience it refers to actual…

…words that will have implications and suggestions that go past the word is what has to happen and then you get what Joyce calls the radiance, the epiphany. The epiphany is the showing through of the essence, what Aquinas called the quiditas, the whatness.…

…poet, the musician, the author, exactly the writer. Yes, I think we've had a couple of greats in the recent times. I think of James Joyce as such a revealer of the mysteries of growing up and becoming a human being, and for me he and Thomas Mann were…