Originally aired as Salon #389 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "The 20th century is a great gathering for a leap, and the 19th century was the century of the gentleman." "Whether we can actually make a new world is not clear because the momentum of the past is very great."

Originally aired as Salon #231 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. A recording of one of the last conversations Bruce Damer and Terence McKenna had at Terence's house, exploring virtual worlds and the future of consciousness.