Originally aired as Salon #365 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "The psychedelic viewpoint is becoming more and more legitimate, but psychedelic drugs are not. That's the odd paradox of it." "We are living in a state of constant scientific revolution."

Originally aired as Salon #231 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. A recording of one of the last conversations Bruce Damer and Terence McKenna had at Terence's house, exploring virtual worlds and the future of consciousness.

Thanks to Supernormalized podcast: https://supernormalized.com/podcast/dillon-hicks-interview-on-terence-mckenna-live-at-wollongong-university-s2e13/

From a longer talk that I cannot find