Originally aired as Salon #567 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. Recorded April 1995. "I take psychedelics to be the catalysis of language." "This great period of creativity that we're living through now in the sciences, in the arts, in the implementation of exotic technology…"

Originally aired as Salon #370 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "History is like self-reflection through the medium of language propelling itself into self-recognition." "Clearly, what is happening is there is a kind of global emergence of a new mental order." "The central figure in the archaic revival is the shaman."

Tape cuts off at 21m