Originally aired as Salon #439 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "Now all that stands between us and some kind of angelic completion of some sort is the dark side of ourselves and the unpaid bills of the historical process." "I am a resolute optimist of a very complicated sort."

Originally aired as Salon #418 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "Every drug problem can usually be traced to a previous drug problem." "I think drugs are much safer than gurus." "I've never been absolutely certain that psychedelics have anything whatsoever to do with the spiritual quest."