Originally aired as Salon #577 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "We asked for it, but we never knew we would get it in such spades. Last week was the 25th anniversary of the experiment at La Chorrera." Part 5 of Terence McKenna's Countdown Into Complexity series.

At the 'Shamanic Plant Conference' (January 19th 1999 in Palenque, Mexico) the writer, philosopher and shamanism expert Terence McKenna held two lectures entitled "Linear Societies and Non-linear Drugs".