…The movement is about a movement in consciousness and for many of us consciousness, not drugs was actually the focus of Terence McKenna's work. As you already know, the apparently most controversial part of Bruce's Deep dive into the mind of McKenna that…

…of McKenna that immediately preceded the conversation we're about to hear was the fact that after some time in 1988 or 1989 that Terence no longer partook of magic mushrooms and as we continue to listen to more talks by Terence in the months ahead, I…

…time in 1988 or 1989 that Terence no longer partook of magic mushrooms and as we continue to listen to more talks by Terence in the months ahead, I think that we'll see quite clearly that he never implied otherwise. On numerous occasions that I can…

…otherwise. On numerous occasions that I can recall, many of which have already appeared in recordings posted all over the net, Terence very clearly stated that he used psychedelics only rarely, and I know of at least one recording in which he specifically…

…is the main but perhaps not only active ingredient in magic mushrooms. So let's be clear about this at least, that while Terence maybe didn't use mushrooms again, he did use psilocybin on several occasions that I'm aware of now you're going to hear a…

…along the line to diminish them until they die. Yeah I agree, but who else has something they'd like to add here? You know Terence last night it was brought out that Terence often said the world is created by language. And you know a lot of things he…

…die. Yeah I agree, but who else has something they'd like to add here? You know Terence last night it was brought out that Terence often said the world is created by language. And you know a lot of things he said I had a lot of trouble understanding…

…today I was trying to see things without language and I couldn't. You know that's lettuce, that's a tomato that's a plant, and Terence was guilty of that too. You know for four years I felt I was a psychedelic failure because because I never saw those…

…where it's coming from I was passing that bad information around too but it is in our bodies and so my my upside down Terence is that before the apes started eating the mushrooms there was a steady trickle of DMT and they were living in Paradise in…

…you know the human species maybe we really are just going through a step in evolution maybe the eschaton is really something that that Terence felt inside as his part for all of us to make that next step to evolve you know and if that's the case you…

…does not see the symbol and the language element. I think language leads us into very tenuous ground and I think poor Terence Traversed a lot of that ground running along the language path which essentially is reverting back to being a cartesian, a…

…only just now they're starting to even look for it. So what's left? Where are our pyramids where are our cave paintings? And as Terence once pointed out, you know it's not that big a mystery of how they built the pyramids. The real mystery is: how did…

…figure out how trace fossils are made or something. So you know just to conclude this long long rap I was really trying to reign Terence in and in fact earlier that same earlier that year in 1998 at a trial log and you can hear this on the salon…

…Terence in and in fact earlier that same earlier that year in 1998 at a trial log and you can hear this on the salon Terence became more extreme over time and you know in the 80s he was talking about ufos and stuff and you know and then he kind…

…rising and taking us all we were all disappear into its folds you know in 20 minutes. And Rupert Ralph stopped him and said: Terence that is a paranoid delusion there's no basis for reality in that and I'm just not gonna stand for it I'm not gonna…

…Ralph Earlier this year and I said what about this? He said yeah well Rupert and I tried to kind of put a boundary around Terence and tried to keep him from going way out there. We were both opposed to this kind of thing. It just it just was…

…is my words you know it's like the ray Kurzweil's of the world you get a little discredited. I mean there you are Terence is sitting with one of the world's great mathematicians and another man steeped in science and they're kind of looking at him…

…only a pioneering entheobotanist, he was also a mystic and philosopher. Now this interesting talk brings to an end a workshop where Terence was exploring what may happen at the end of the time wave. As he notes, his idea predicts every moment up until…

…at big sur California, and hopefully you'll find one or two new ideas here that hadn't crossed your mind before. Now here's Terence. The funny thing is here I have this wave. It predicts every second between here and December 21st 2012. I show it…

…an ending date in 2012, and that the end date could be off by as much as 50 to 100 years. So maybe what Terence was feeling when he just now said that he felt this great transformation of consciousness was near, was that he was feeling the closeness…

…recording ended. Interestingly, the first question asked was for detailed down to earth information about psychedelic substances, and that is how Terence became so well known. Back then, believe it or not he was just about the only person who was brave…

…to dedicate this podcast to one of our earliest fellow saloners. Her name was marjean McKenna and no she was not even related to Terence. I first got to know marjean many years ago, back when I was doing annual fund drives to pay the hosting bills, and…

…drives to pay the hosting bills, and when I saw her name as a donor, I wrote and asked if she was related to Dennis Terence and well as it turned out they weren't related but she did live not far from where Terence and Dennis grew up. Now there were…

…asked if she was related to Dennis Terence and well as it turned out they weren't related but she did live not far from where Terence and Dennis grew up. Now there were two years in a row when money was really tight here in the salon and it didn't…

…employees on crash courses in psychedelics in which case they may well be getting in touch pretty soon with you and Terence to hire you as consultants for this process to try and unleash more creativity in Japan. Assuming that psychedelics haven't hit…

…would come into being in accordance with this novelty wave. And the periods when the novelty wave was plunging into novelty, as Terence puts it you'd get a lot of new patterns and forms emerging. At other periods you'd get fewer but this wouldn't tell…

…nor morphic resonance nor the novelty wave theory actually get to grips with the problem of creation, how a new thing comes. Terence just says there'll be a lot more new things happening. Pardon, no, I've got this point of view down to a sort…

…kinds of trap doors and escape holes so that we don't get trapped inside another illusion. You see I was thinking before Terence started speaking just now, that this attempt to tame chaos by having mathematical models of it is the modern version on a…

…the christianized version of the same story, where st George is a solar hero shining light, piercing the darkness of the dragon. Then Terence went on to say how there's this darkness of all these processes going on, but the light of reason could come in…

…period of st John the baptist, but st John the baptist's role was to say to people: repent for the end is at hand. Well Terence is the local representative of the st John the baptist principle. You see he proves to us all the end's at hand by his…

…of you. Life teaches this if you're paying attention paying attention psychedelics. Almost rub your nose in it too yeah Terence I wanted to talk a little bit little bit about the relationship between the psychedelic state at hallucination and rationality…

…through our culture. Now I suspect that you think the medium for this transformation is the world wide web. I suspect that Terence thinks the medium well I think telepathy is equally powerful. Yes, wait I want to hear his suspicion. World wide web, yes,…

…sell the old UK cure come to the rave tonight as the clarity created. Yes, a crucible of clarity is home at last, and Terence takes the microphone. Well it's not always perfectly clear what's going on when you have your nose in it you know. I mean my…

…is that this clarity involves breaking the spell of rationalism, cartesianism, a spell woven more powerfully than ever before this morning by Terence, I mean it took on a new level of spellbinding in the way you described it it's to recognize that we're…

…is performed as it always has been. Do you see the problem? Older people seem to see the problem. That's why Terence has recommended mushrooms. That's why Rupert has suggested psychic pets. You see how revolutionary are psychic pets? We're talking about the…

…by the vices of today, seems to me to beg a number of questions. However, I'll be there at the rave tonight too, Terence and there I'll be able to see this Paradise That's unfolding before us. Your point about television is well taken I totally agree…

…you because I have an extremely positive attitude toward Cannabis. I personally made the acquaintance in 1966, so a year after Terence around my 30th birthday and I discovered immediately on first smoking, more or less some of these beneficial effects even…

…1968, where the subculture was thriving, all events were accompanied by smoking joints and my main impression of it is what Terence described on the subject of hemp and stories. I learned this word diaphanous from you, Terence, thinking of triaphanous, the…

…impression of it is what Terence described on the subject of hemp and stories. I learned this word diaphanous from you, Terence, thinking of triaphanous, the triaphanous web that we weave in our meetings. This kind of strong coupling enhanced resonance was,…

…out the structure of a chapter or of an argument. I find that it's a great aid to concentration, partly because as Terence says, it makes it possible to enter a state where these become things of importance and the everyday concerns about checkbooks,…

…internal dialogue of the banal kind which goes on much of the time. So that I suppose would fit with what Terence says about the dissolution of boundaries, which which is a much greater sense of connectedness connectedness. But there are two other…

…work can be read from the viewpoint of language, but anyhow I lost my track here. So he really opened you up. Oh yes because Terence says over and over 4 to 5 grams in silent darkness you know that phrase yes that is how to take the mushroom that is…

…to the main thing, I can't but pass without commenting on this next 20 years comment because 20 years from now is 2018. Terence, I thought he's rounded up rounded up, not rounded down. 2012 is some kind of benchmark in this process. In other words…

…So do we not have to expect in the near future an email, a massive emailing which announces: I am the alien object that Terence told you about ben and stell? And let me give you an idea about managing the arms race between India and Pakistan we feel…

…will be utterly unrecognizable to ourselves and we will probably still be worried about preserving and enhancing the quality of human values. Terence One point you've probably got an answer for this and if not you'll soon think of one. I mean it's a…

…is one thing that I feel compelled to clear up right now, and that is the concept of uploading ourselves or downloading as Terence thought of it, into a computer where a few subjective minutes in the default world could seem like a thousand years when…

…thang. For some of you, this is the pool around palenque, the hotel in palenque, Mexico where they held the entheobotany seminars and Terence held forth and many others did. Sasha and Anne came to it. This is why we have this here. This is palenque…

…relationship. I remember sitting in the in Hawaii when when we had done this thing and we had compared notes and I asked: Terence what did you think of these worlds what did you think of the experience? The felt experience of being in an avatar space…

…fans your 30 fans which was this typical audience size. He said it was not unlike DMT. It was not unlike DMT that's a very Terence way of saying it but it was an opening. I explained to him my experience on his medicine that he provided me and it…

…singularity. I won't reveal that in this talk but this is the sort of tap root of where this all started. Then that night Terence turned to us my friend Jim and I in the house and said: I'm having dreams I can't explain they're so weird they're so…

…this is a big deal if Terence McKenna is having dreams that are truly disturbing to him. What was about to happen to Terence Multiforme? A very rare brain cancer and there was a massive tumor in this man's brain that was about to erupt. It was…

…to you so you think a chain letter principle is the one that doesn't work. Well that's the big if again because, Terence you already accepted the fact that in Bangladesh the population growth is not going to decrease only in Santa Monica and Berkeley…

…chariots of the gods and forth. So I think that there are many other ways of thinking about it and I can guess that Terence will be able to suggest at least one. But before we go there's one other speculation about the past I want to mention which…

…the physiological DNA random mutation natural selection one isn't that it and in this dichotomy we see you oppose because Terence believes the eating psilocybin mushrooms is a purely material explanation right it requires no recourse to a divine intervention…

…fit with the facts because there's a belief in you see now we're off the planet at last. Can I remind you, Terence of a quotation from the front pages of your first book, speculating that mushroom spores are intergalactic travelers, that they have a…

…their ecology, cosmos and consciousness lecture series in association with the scientific and medical network. Now Bruce's talk is titled Terence McKenna's Elves, Eckhart Tolle's Egos and Bruce Dahmer's Avatars new tools to forge or forgo a new earth. And for…

…even if becoming a grassroots scientist isn't something you find particularly fascinating. Well just think about some young Ralph Rupert or Terence Out there who hears this and says yes I'm going to really look into this or that question that science has…

…that can reconnect us with these traditions. And I think the most important aspect of this process really because I agree with Terence about the revival is to find behind the existing forms and existing festivals the pre Christian roots which in all cases…

…their feet over the stream. Look, said Rupert, a sandy beach. Sure enough they saw there was a little tiny beach of sand. Terence said the land reaches down into the water and Rupert said no the water reaches up into the land. Ralph said it's both…

…both water and sand. It's the sandy beach. It's a fractal object. They stood then they walked in the stream. Look, said Terence. It circles to the left. No said Rupert, it circles to the right. It's turbulent flow, said Ralph It's a mathematical object,…

…there was no beach, there was a concrete wall. It was not a fractal object. Rupert said it's a straight line. Terence said it's a Bauhaus Excrescent of post linguistic humanoids thinking of peanut butter sandwiches. Then they walked back up the slope.…

…I think those constellations over there, those are all watery. That's the pisces, the fish, that's biology projected on the sky. Terence said the chaldean astrologer has called that the celestial sea and Ralph said it's a sandy beach in the sky. Rupert…

…going on purpose. That's down at the river and that's the homing pigeons. We're pigeons and the eschaton is our home, Terence would say. And now let's take a deep breath we've survived two lessons of mathematics without the despicable, frightening word…

…birth event of the eschaton, not in quantum physics I suppose we're talking about a different kind of thing. What about the timetable Terence? So far it seems like your idea is pretty similar to Teilhard De Chardin, Except you said he didn't give us a…

…argument about the vicissitudes of history and where the great changes lie, and without that it's a sort of arm waving at this point, Terence I've just got one final question I want to ask you about this which is that other people who tell us the end…

…I think we could discuss it now. Or do you have another point? No we've reached the time to open it up. Terence, you sound to me like a psychedelic version of Karl Marx. Well Marx was the last great millenarian theoretician in western civilization,…

…with the tape we just heard I thought they were back in the best of form. In particular, I was taken by some things Terence said about the transcendental object at the end of time that I hadn't heard before. If I understood him right it could be…

…absolutely no doubt at all about the revelation that you and everyone else on the planet just had about life and death. As Terence said, that would definitely qualify as a world condensing event. Now I know that I'm not talking to everybody here in the…

…would be an alternative to the kergan wave theory this is an alternative to the kergan well I heard that I like that Terence I think we need an alternative when you see it would happen quite naturally you have this flourishing mushroom cult on the…

…lot of people. So it's not that most people have forgotten it, but one thing: I think that one of the troubles with Terence and his suggestions is that the ideal state that he usually portrays like his idea of moving over to an entirely lunar calendar…

…doesn't really when it has shaped Islamic Culture it's been episodic and far in the past. Did you catch that part where Terence said that he thought that the only way the psychedelic mysteries could have been lost was through climate changes that caused…

…exploration to say what it will about our species and to what you know. So in that sense I think you know Terence was right we are looking at a major boundary dissolution here between people and each other, between the organic and the technological.…

…social field in some sense and its extension over the geographical realm. Well I'm sensing a kind of convergence here where even Terence could find something to agree with that there is a sixth sense it is a field phenomenon, like the quantum field. It's…

…evil and so on, a candidate for the disharmony of the human species would be its disconnection with this field. And here's where Terence comes in that somehow it's the implication of language is to submit to it is to lose your connection with the field.…

…between ourselves and the object of our contemplation in order to define ourselves. And I think to go on with this as Terence Earlier pointed out, the animal state is pre language but the state advocated by mystics and all great religions is to go…

…contemplation, mystical insight, prayer, intuition, which go beyond the limitations of language. So I don't think I didn't take what Terence was saying to be the denigration of all human culture or language but pointing out its limitations which are agreed…

…progression of epochs toward the concrescence is in fact being fulfilled and it's, I think quite extraordinary. Well this I think, Terence, it sounds a little more optimistic than I've heard you before. I'm not mistaken that although in this model you…

…very useful at this point. So that's all I really have to say about it. I'll bet well, I think this is very modest, Terence that you have given the survey of these different views. Actually we have our own view as we'll evolve in these next minutes.…

…Byron to Rupert's Chalet and hope to do so this weekend. Happy valentine's day. Now I'm going to introduce Ralph. I met Ralph and Terence as Terence has described when I got off the bus at Sonoma was it Sonoma, Santa Rosa? Having been sent by a friend…

…Rupert's Chalet and hope to do so this weekend. Happy valentine's day. Now I'm going to introduce Ralph. I met Ralph and Terence as Terence has described when I got off the bus at Sonoma was it Sonoma, Santa Rosa? Having been sent by a friend in San…

…Rosa? Having been sent by a friend in San Francisco to meet him this was in 1982 and Ralph was there too so I met Terence and Ralph Together, and that's when we found we had this way of relating together which for us has been very helpful. Well Ralph…

…think it was enhanced in the late 60s and early 70s by certain inner experiences which would fall into the category of what Terence calls hands on pharmacology, and these he took to. Ralph Doesn't look like it but he's an extremist and when he does…

…in fact he is so into plants that I think when Rupert speaks you're hearing the leafy green speaking through his mouth. And like Terence he has a phenomenal ability to stand up after seeing a subject printed on a flash card and carry on for an hour or…

…we should REST at this point. Yes, I don't know about you but I'm going to go back and re listen to that part where Terence was talking about a possible twin for this universe but one that has more anti matter than matter. I want to try to think…

…can put aside some of my own ingrown bias against the concept of divine omnipotence that Rupert was trying to sell to Terence and Ralph kind of unsuccessfully I thought you know it's interesting that this topic came up in today's trialog because I…

…a wonderful book called around in circles by Jim Schnabel that goes into all this. But there was a fellow named Terence Meaden who was a meteorologist and when the first crop circles appeared and the weirdos began talking about telluric forces, messages…

…him they loved him as much as the screwballs and they would put him on and first they would interview the mad people and then Terence Meaden would come on and pooh pooh it away. So that was the first year of the crop circles. The next year the crop…

…the crop circles became considerably more elaborate with arrows coming off of them and zigzags and so forth and so on. Bring Terence Meaden on to the scene and he says: well you know the new field of dynamic instability indicates that the mathematical…

…the no human being could possibly do it moves. And so the BBC 2 people made a very good crop circle and they brought Terence Meaden out and said: you know Terence We've just spotted one over here and get you right to the scene before the tourists get…

…it moves. And so the BBC 2 people made a very good crop circle and they brought Terence Meaden out and said: you know Terence We've just spotted one over here and get you right to the scene before the tourists get there and they toured with him and…

…not how, is then projected outwards until it appears to be in the place where the thing seen is. So if I'm looking at you, Terence the light rays come into my eye and then I have a subjective image of you which is actually just my understanding or my…

…we have an experimental result that in laboratory people can get someone's attention from behind by looking, by boring in, as Terence says. Would it really be useful to propose the electromagnetic field as in any way an intermediary for that influence or…

…think the stack of hierarchical hypotheses here is sufficiently thick. We call this more or less fiction. Let's take an audience survey, Terence. Do you think that it's more or less economical to assume that this kind of influence is carried in a new or…

…which are simpler and easier to do and which might even correspond to existing data. I didn't ask a question of this. Terence said what was it you said about this is your definition of progress, things progress toward a higher level of integration. So…

…connected by resonance with the electromagnetic field that the end field itself might be enough to explain this evolution of structure. Terence I think it's time to bring up dowsing. Well you mentioned evidence for this sort of thing which has been ignored.…

…of the geometry of angels. Yes maybe a physical hard copy would be a good thing to have yes in case. Well, Terence Doesn't. Although he's constantly on the web, he doesn't give signs of instant recognition of his geometrical model. True, well we only…

…going to have to go I'm going to have to go, but I think this was very no, I didn't cut it off right as Terence seemed to be saying that he thought it was very something or other. That's actually where the tape cut off. So I'm going to assume…

…saying that he thought it was very something or other. That's actually where the tape cut off. So I'm going to assume that Terence was about to say that he thought their conversation was either very interesting or helpful in some way. But I've got to be…

…have a recording of at least chronologically, and for me at least it seemed as if they were running out of steam, particularly Terence who we hardly heard from in this discussion, and it was less than a year after this trilogue that he was stricken with…

…and creation out of chaos is like the creation out of the womb coming out of darkness. So one of the metaphors that Terence used of the imagination is dipping down nets into the ocean of the deep and pulling up coelacanths or whatever of the…

…most people spend their lives in sorts of levitowns of the imagination as larval forms integrated into machinery. A pleasant vision but Terence I think we're reaching the cusp I think so yes, in terms of dissolving eco boundaries with the work in therapy…

…certain similarities with our experience in the 1960s and and today today a movement in movement in which the prophet obviously is Terence. And one of the chief and to me most mystifying aspects of the millenarian movement, as opposed to the utopian, is…

…moment. Which is not found in other religions, and certainly two of the most outstanding exponents I think of this tendency today are Terence and Jose De Chardin. But also they agree on the date, the year 2012, based on in different ways they came to…

…yesterday morning, 24 hours ago. And I think that what happened yesterday afternoon in our rather unsatisfactory discussion was that Terence, by the rules of that discussion, was denied his usual millenarian way out and was asked to consider what would…

…Christian this has created a kind of morphic field, a model of history which has come to imbue our whole society, and, of course Terence is one of its leading exponents. What I'd like to do now is ask Terence how he sees these two strands in his own…

…to imbue our whole society, and, of course Terence is one of its leading exponents. What I'd like to do now is ask Terence how he sees these two strands in his own thinking. On the one hand, the archaic revival you see is psychedelic utopianism. On…

…a thick book called hamlet's mill. So looking further then at chaos as the milky way you see like the photograph that Terence has just shown, the prototypical chaos in the sense of randomness or disorder and so on, understanding that you can then connect…

…of our consciousness. Sadly, that event took place only about a week or so before the seizure that revealed the fact that Terence had a very large mushroom shaped tumor in his brain. What an amazing person he was, what an amazing mind, and thanks…

…if a new technique like double blind experimental work comes up then the interplay of these forces will guarantee that it's used. Maybe Terence to summarize your case against the new age fuzz is that there seems to be an area in the evolving mind where…

…don't believe in this idea. I think that's why a free market in scientific research would be good. However, I think that, Terence your insistence on clear thinking represents a deep wish that there could be some more or less Universal Body of truth that…

…So anyway, that's a general response and I just want to put in a word for angels here and then I'll turn it over to Terence that I think personally the Seti is of interest because of our own journeys where we parked the body then we also have left,…

…this possible correlation is an interesting question. So I wonder, since you know, in your travels does this make sense to you? Terence on the basis of direct experience, have we traveled in the universe or without it? So are you saying, does it seem…

…them. I mean they're simply the brightest things around. So what about that contacting jupiter or Saturn? What do you think, Terence? That some botanical trips should be devoted to this form of Seti? Well I observed someone once who claimed that somewhere…

…at the moment, is the collective action of the citizens of the present. Now just one more thing I said before we asked Terence his opinion. There's a sense in which we Face this problem in psychology in the sense in which our own motivations you see,…

…attractor, does your model have attractive properties? Does it begin to become a concrete or attractive entity? We'll have to ask Terence about this since he's been using this word extensively today and I don't know exactly what it means, Terence are models…

…We'll have to ask Terence about this since he's been using this word extensively today and I don't know exactly what it means, Terence are models attractive? I mean are they habit forming? Is modeling a habit? I think so. I think if a model is a…

…us into another realm of archetypes. It's six o clock and maybe it's time now to stop because after supper we come to Terence and Ralph on chaos and imagination at eight o clock, eight o clock, and that's where we'll pick up with the next trialogue…

…how do new fields, new forms, come into being in the first place? Where do they come from? Well this morning, with Terence, I was discussing how they may arise out of the interaction between chaos and some kind of formative unifying some kind of…

…only interesting thing is that the theory can tell you certain transformations you'll expect and others not. For example, Terence had pointed to the punctual aspect of evolution, that many transformations are saltatory, they are catastrophic, they are abrupt.…

…that it might be helpful if the questions were also something that could be used to launch a Tri log. We'll begin with Terence stepping in and explaining the genesis of that question. So let's join. I think the question is about the t shirt I'm wearing…

…Tempests of future is that a yes or a no? It's a cautionary note. Well I think this is the kind of subject how much Terence has most to say. Well I may have the most to say I'm not sure it's what you want to hear. Conspiracy theory generally seems…

…do require that are usually bogus. Now I have to confess that we duked it out on this one before and last time Terence won. But there is possibly a conspiracy. Theory is an attempt to explain something that looks like a conspiracy and one possible…

…it had a bad hair day it would look up and be similar. I pity this. Well we've got you now, because at that time Terence said his explanation of this was a conspiracy theory. He said that the British Army did maneuvers at night and so he had a…

…to a gathering in glastonbury, England, to celebrate this turning point in human consciousness, and although I'd met Jose Arguelles with Terence probably the significance of it wasn't at all clear to me and so when I arrived there I asked the organizers…

…So I think the I don't want to sound pessimistic, because I think there might be some solution that an intervention as Terence suggested is possible and may even take place, resulting from meetings like Rio and Amsterdam, where not the George Bushes of…

…they don't seem to have any idea of the way things are going. And they'll I mean if you were around in London more or you Terence They'd probably ask you as well to go along and tell me: we don't know either. So it is a matter of the blind. No we…

…having consumed MDMA and LSD, leading to a revival of interest. In psychedelics and in 60s type music. And now, of course, as Terence knows full well, but some of you may not the rave scene in Britain has discovered Terence McKenna. And so there's this…

…was we revolved to a higher state of consciousness and being connected with god oh clearly I was a little more optimistic than Terence. No I don't think so it's the same idea. I don't understand why you think it's so pessimistic. It is get this…

…correctly, the next tape in this series brings in Ralph Abraham, who will be expanding on the concept of language that Terence just raised. Although like many of us psychedelic salonners, I first started listening to these trilogues in search of a new…

…search of a new little sound bite or two from the Great Bard McKenna. But I'm really beginning to appreciate why Ralph and Terence think so highly of Rupert what an interesting way he has of looking at things. For example, I've long thought that Gaia…

…you suggested, sort of like get used to it happening. Yes, well get used to the fact it could happen at any time. You see, Terence is so much like st John, both in his st John the baptist form and in the st John the divine. There's in the gospels,…

…st John the baptist form and in the st John the divine. There's in the gospels, there's these passages of jesus which Terence could easily quote and add to his armamentarium of: is this Nicodemus what Christ told Nicodemus? No it's his prophecies in st…

…isn't just christendom it's everybody anyway if it does involve everybody then part of the omega point or the thing that Terence is trying to describe obviously involves some kind of transition in consciousness which might be achieved through mass death and…

…both in expectation and in dread. I mean this is the approach of another metaphor is the last judgment meeting meeting god as Terence put it like the mind of god coming into history. It's a mixture it's no longer just the loving god but it's the…

…experience and what it's like. Then lower doses. The path has already been opened. Yeah and you know I don't think I've ever heard Terence say I took so much or you know he talked about the heroic dose and the five grams of dried mushrooms in silent…

…can't imagine doing mushrooms without music although you know I haven't done them in a while. But there are a lot of things that Terence said that didn't quite click with me. One time I heard him talk and say in a podcast he said that he was talking…

…evolutionary creativity in nature, just as it is in the human realm? So those are the questions that I wanted to raise and ask Terence to follow through on because Terence has studied the imagination more than most of us and in a sense I regard him as…

…it is in the human realm? So those are the questions that I wanted to raise and ask Terence to follow through on because Terence has studied the imagination more than most of us and in a sense I regard him as somebody who has a deep understanding of…

…process? Of evolutionary creativity. One way is to make this attractor a kind of platonic mind in the future, which is what Terence, you seem to be doing, making it the old platonic mind containing all possible forms and archetypes somewhere out there in…

…an alien planet but to an alien phase space of some sort but one that we need connection to. I agree with Terence the problem is one of the emotional intensity of a psychedelic experience is totally different from seeing the computer graphic display, the…

…is the world expert on algorithmic information theory. This is a way of telling the difference between chaos and randomness and as Terence was saying there is in verbal representation a kind of economy that there is a simple formula that calls forth a…

…workshop leaders are friends of mine either but I'm really passionate about all of us doing a better job at finding the others, as Terence so directed. Before I go I want to read part of an email I received from jj. He says: hey Lorenzo my name is…

…He's called Terence McKenna. He said: you get on this bus in San Francisco, you get off at Santa Rosa Two hours later and Terence will appear in a large 1956 Buick or whatever and that'll be Terence McKenna. I didn't know much about Terence, so I went…

…hours later and Terence will appear in a large 1956 Buick or whatever and that'll be Terence McKenna. I didn't know much about Terence, so I went up there and in this large 1956 Buick we headed off into the woods in Sonoma County where Terence lives…

…know much about Terence, so I went up there and in this large 1956 Buick we headed off into the woods in Sonoma County where Terence lives and there I met both Terence and Ralph who was there for the day. We had a most interesting time. I found that…

…up there and in this large 1956 Buick we headed off into the woods in Sonoma County where Terence lives and there I met both Terence and Ralph who was there for the day. We had a most interesting time. I found that part of my interest in these other…

…When I arrived in India I found that India is a kind of psychedelic realm anyway, it's just an amazing place. So in Terence I found somebody who knew about that whole realm, who shared with me an interest in India since it played an important part…

…a rare talk by Terence McKenna. It took place at the esalen institute in big sur California Less than a week after Terence underwent a major brain operation during which the top of his skull was removed. I'm presenting this talk in its complete unedited…

…idea that I've never heard him expound before and well as my mother used to say, it's a real doozy. Basically, Terence presents a new and very speculative theory that intertwines the mysterious forces of quasars and non locality with the sudden emergence…

…of not trying too hard to push these ideas any further uphill, I'm going to do my best to refrain from commenting on what Terence said about 20 minutes into this talk. But do you remember him saying that only a non biological life form could survive a…

…way out. Now what do you think that could mean today? I've listened to this recording twice now and while the big event that Terence was talking about back then was the 2012 event which actually turned out to be a non event, of course it could be…

…in the news back then. Now if you're interested, listen to it again and spend a little time thinking about the hunch that Terence must have had in order to believe that we should escape the planet by uploading ourselves into some sort of a machine. I…

…can ignore Terence's warning to not take these ideas seriously. So now it's your turn to explore some of these new thoughts that Terence has once again triggered in us. Until next time this is Lorenzo signing off from cyber delic space namaste my friends.

…is scheduled. The body is the placenta of the soul and the real potential of our species isn't being tapped at all. So says Terence and I have no argument with either of those ideas. I wonder if you are thinking what I'm thinking right now. However, as…

…com for the details of those twice weekly events. And by the way at the end of this recording, I think I heard Terence mention that in the next session that his brother Dennis and Eduardo Luna would be joining him. Well I happen to have a…

…transform the freaking world. You know it started with marijuana. This is sort of bringing the conversation back to the subject Terence loves so much it's all coming to pass. We've always anticipated this we always thought psychedelics will be the catalyst…

…this clue that Gaia is helping us deal with this stress on bee populations. So it's listening and in a way to go back to Terence, is to say, is to open oneself even beyond what Terence would say to open our hearts and our minds to the totality of…

…on bee populations. So it's listening and in a way to go back to Terence, is to say, is to open oneself even beyond what Terence would say to open our hearts and our minds to the totality of what is of Gaia, of the complexity of human beings. Of the…

…honor of Terence's Cosmic giggle. We worked it out and because of that conversation that night but what I brought to Terence was Terence. There is no way that there's going to be a technological singularity. No one understands consciousness, no one…

…Terence's Cosmic giggle. We worked it out and because of that conversation that night but what I brought to Terence was Terence. There is no way that there's going to be a technological singularity. No one understands consciousness, no one understands the…