…is novelty, how do things get together and form more complex things and not break apart. And because of that conversation, because of Terence in the last time that I saw him, Terence said to me: keep telling the story, keep telling the story but tell…

…more complex things and not break apart. And because of that conversation, because of Terence in the last time that I saw him, Terence said to me: keep telling the story, keep telling the story but tell your own story. And I took that to heart that…

…Terence said to me: keep telling the story, keep telling the story but tell your own story. And I took that to heart that Terence had asked me to carry this work on these questions and as a result of that it resulted in this in 2017: a scientific…

…that it resulted in this in 2017: a scientific revolution. This is our work on the cover of scientific American and I have really Terence to thank because he passed in April 3rd 2000 and then I said: you know I'm gonna continue to do this and we did…

…I have talked about this now how the origin of life is the origin of this field so we're in huge pay dirt. If Terence was around today he would be absolutely fascinated that we decoded this and we're proving it in hardcore science but it has impacts…

…the physical world and said thank you, thank you for being a space that we can go and do magic and make it real. And so Terence I think his legacy was to keep the pilot flight running for 20 years on this thing and to tell the tale so well that it…

…seek out the magic, that there is more than the mundane, that we can blend them together and make beautiful existences. You know Terence remarked to me I actually I think he made a remark in public about the relationship to the mushrooms and bringing the…

…marker down and say what are the most significant things, you could look at that. I think the most significant thing is that Terence enjoyed playing with ideas, you know and he gave other people permission to play with ideas you know and I think he…

…ideas, kind of silly ideas really, which were which were could be attributed to the fact that you know I was young, Terence was young neither one of us had very much scientific background essentially we had no scientific training at the time and that…

…new edition of the invisible landscape, so I ask people to at least read that it's kind of a disclaimer on my part. I'm not sure Terence feels that way I think he may. Feel that the ideas are just as valid now I mean I think he even has told me…

…I was just fascinated by the idea that you could, you know time travel and being able to go to these places. So when I Terence being four years older than I, when he went to Berkeley the first year that he came back from college at Berkeley we had…

…people in our group who were not part of this experiment, I just appeared to be raving and completely out of control, Terence also went completely mad but in an opposite sort of way where he became extremely focused on the environment, extremely focused…

…very much I'm going to read various quotes. I'm going to do a sort of a funny patchwork affair today of quotes of Terence and Terence Who's at the anniversary of his death today, so maybe he's enjoying his experience with the machine arms he's probably…

…going to read various quotes. I'm going to do a sort of a funny patchwork affair today of quotes of Terence and Terence Who's at the anniversary of his death today, so maybe he's enjoying his experience with the machine arms he's probably looking down…

…looking down upon us now he's probably sitting somewhere but in particular I'm going to be only bringing out elements of Terence which I think are fairly often overlooked: his extraordinary work as a scholar of literature, his reading of gnosticism his…

…I'm going to shut up a little bit and let them talk. I think the first thing to say that I find present in both Terence and in Borges is the articulation of this astonishing paradox which is probably at the heart of a lot of what we are doing here…

…answer. And I don't think he called it this or Lorenzo called it this but it's called muck nature living psychedelically says Terence is trying to live in an atmosphere of continuous unfolding of understanding, so that every day you know more and see into…

…this. You're listening to the psychedelic salon where people are changing their lives one thought at a time. Well now you know why Terence was always so generous in his praise of his brother, Dennis. Together they made quite a team, and now it's up to…

…these things, my. Image for it, that explains that phenomenon to me. And I've had this same experience past and future is. Well, Terence was just referring to the temporal river, is that it's a river which flows two ways, from the past to the future and…

…have to admit that since I don't want to get too heavy here, that after listening to hundreds of hours of metaphysical theorizing by Terence and the other bright lights we've heard here in the salon, well, I have to admit that I'm still no closer to an…

…about space colonies and whether this was a viable way to go. And he sensed this problem by saying to me, but, Terence, where will they get nature spirits? How will they induce nature spirits to inhabit the space colonies? Well, another way of saying…

…right now, you can always just surf on over to YouTube and keep yourself entertained all night. Also, we just heard Terence mention what sounded like an interesting book. Heisman's against the grain. Well, here's some good news. That book is now available…

…understanding of the self. These things are just spinning into a tizzy, and it will not go away. It will go through. Now, Terence made that statement in December of 1983, and until today, that has pretty much been true. Although there have been a few…

…you would find it interesting to hear a little bit about what was going to be happening over the course of the year for Terence, at least in the way of public appearances. But it also may be of nostalgic interest to you in the event that you were…

…other comments, I'd like to point out that this talk was given in 1997, and at the time, as you heard Terence say, there actually wasn't very much reliable information about psychedelic substances available on the Internet. However, things today are vastly…

…people involved with Arrowwid, and you can trust their information on the website implicitly. And one more thing here. We just heard Terence say that Salbia divinorum is legal, which it was back in 1997, and it still is unscheduled under the federal law.…

…back in 1997. He was truly ahead of his time. Do you also remember in the early part of this talk that Terence said, our imaginations, while in a psychedelic state, are possibly communicating with alien intelligences? Well, it seems to me that this could…

…for someone who wants to establish herself or himself in the scientific psychedelic community. Now, early on in todays talk, we heard Terence say, and I quote, I think that every single one of us should be learning how to expand our communications skills.…

…physically. Well, there's also the exceptional personality. The exceptional personality breaks all the rules. But I. Would you say then, Terence, that there is a genetic proclivity maybe in some individuals, if there is access to botanicals and if there is…

…What I'm thinking about is Terence's rhapsodizing about Teilhard de Chardin. You see, the last time that I had a conversation with Terence is when I was working on the final draft of the spirit of the Internet, which rests on three pillars. The Internet,…

…which rests on three pillars. The Internet, psychedelics, and Teilhard's writings. So here's the embarrassing part. At the time, I asked Terence if he was familiar with Tealhard, and his reply was, yeah, I've heard of him. Well, and here's the embarrassing…

…that he didn't know much at all about him. So I proceeded to lecture him about how Teilhard had prophesied the Internet. And Terence never let on that he'd already long ago come to the same conclusion, which I later realized that he surely had. But at…

…to get in the last word. I think that you'll discover, if you read the phenomena of man by Talhard, you'll discover that Terence was actually wrong in the way that he described the neurosphere in this talk. But I'll leave that up to you to discover…

…described the neurosphere in this talk. But I'll leave that up to you to discover for yourself. Finally, just now, we heard Terence once again lament the fact that men's voices continue to overpower those of women. And he again spoke about his theory,…

…today, and for the next few weeks I'll be playing some recordings that were made in early August of 1997 at Esselin, where Terence led a workshop that was titled our Cyber Spiritual Future. As far as I know, none of this material has yet to find…

…hear in a moment, much was still the same as it remains yet today. Now, in about 20 minutes, you're going to hear Terence talking about the ideas of Marshall McLuhan and say that he didn't think that democracy could survive except within the world of…

…for somehow becoming a grumpy old man who felt that he'd been lied to by the system his entire life. And then I heard Terence say this just a few minutes ago, the role. Of culture in the lives of societies has changed in the 20th century. We all…

…add, and trust yourself, trust your own instincts, because they'll seldom lead you astray. Now, a few minutes ago we heard Terence say, I like to think that the psychedelic community has always been a source of visionary common sense because the psychedelic…

…should that ever happen, then I guess you could say that humanity itself has left this world. And so the poetry of Terence McKenna's vision of that departure into higher realms, well, holds, at least for me, a great deal of charm. The human imagination,…

…And this may sound bizarre in ordinary reality, but these forms of synesthesia and synesthesia glossolalia are commonplace in psychedelic states. Terence, could you identify philosopher for us and tell us who he was? He was an Alexandrine Jew of the second…

…anywhere legally, can be bought and sold, but they are the sine qua non for the production of mushrooms. Of course, Terence, the kind of knowledge and kind of information you're putting forward is not generally available. It's not the kind of information…

…burning man gatherings, it isn't really possible to completely grok the spirit of the playa. However, at the end of this talk, Terence speaks about the delicate place in which we now find our species, and the spirit he invokes brings burning man and the…

…situation. You're listening to the psychedelic salon where people are changing their lives one thought. At a time, as I was listening to Terence with you just now when he was speaking about the fact that we humans seem to be building up to a new…

…the Lost Symbol. And as I was opening it to the first page, I was still thinking about some of the interesting things that Terence had to say about what may lie beyond the grave for us. And then I read the first two sentences of Brown's book, which…

…secret is how to die. Since the beginning of time, the secret had always been how to die. And you already know that Terence and many others, including myself, have long said that using psychedelic medicines helps one learn how to die. Now, I realize this…

…lost, along with the manuscripts for what now fills six volumes of essays and a dozen novels. And as you know, all of Terence McKenna's manuscripts and huge library and works in progress when he died were all lost to fire as well. The parallels are…

…So if youve been with me here for a while, youve heard me say that I was never really taken, very much taken with Terence McKenna's time wave theory. Of course, thats really easy to say now that 2012 has come and gone. I realize that. But in any…

…that I found noteworthy about this talk is a reminder of what it was often like at Terrance's workshops. After about 40 minutes, Terence comes to the end of his prepared remarks and opens the floor for questions. Now, as you'll discover in just a moment,…

…about the only source of this information that was publicly available. It must have taken a tremendous amount of courage for Terence to stand up and well be almost the only public spokesperson for the psychedelic experience at the time. Even today, most…

…me to call him the Bard McKenna. And now, I don't want to belabor this to the point of absurdity, but when Terence was talking about language being transformed from something heard into something that seen, well, I don't know. This is simplistic, but…

…or on a webpage full of text? Isn't that language that can be seen? It now seems an obvious implication, and I'm sure that Terence must have addressed this at some point, but I can't recall him ever talking about it myself. And yes, I realized that he…

…that a lot of people who write about Ayahuasca tell of not just hearing the accaros, but seeing them as well. In fact, Terence talked about that on many occasions. But after having been in quite a few ayahuasca circles myself, and over a period of more…

…lot that we don't yet know about the Mayans. Stay tuned. As the old radio guys used to say. We also just heard Terence say that each descent into novelty takes place with increasing frequency. So I wonder what he would say about today's world conditions,…

…And it was just so perfectly hessa journey to the east. And so we meet again here tonight. You know, I was talking to Terence backstage before we began, and we both agree that what he will be saying tonight has been said over and over again at all…

…The problem is, though, that once you say it, you know, you can't go on saying it and saying it and saying it. And when Terence came along a few years ago and was saying what I'd been trying to say, but naturally better upgraded up to date, I was so…

…trying to say, but naturally better upgraded up to date, I was so overwhelmed with gratitude, and I publicly thank you for that, Terence. By the way, the role that Terence is playing right now is one that takes not only vision, but it also takes fucking…

…up to date, I was so overwhelmed with gratitude, and I publicly thank you for that, Terence. By the way, the role that Terence is playing right now is one that takes not only vision, but it also takes fucking courage. We were saying backstage that…

…that Terence is playing right now is one that takes not only vision, but it also takes fucking courage. We were saying backstage that Terence and I are a small group of philosophers who make our living not in the ivory tower, if you call it living, but…

…to this before, but this talk was given in August of 1989, and it just may be one of the earliest recordings of Terence talking about his virtual reality idea of the back of the eyelid implants. And that story of Terrence's is also retold in one…

…Terrence was beginning to dance around that 2012 issue, at least, so it seemed to me, I'd actually kind of forgotten how millenarian Terence could get at times, like in this talk when we heard him say that it is now time to decamp from three dimensional…

…the screaming abyss, and I quote, his rap was not science. It was not exactly philosophy either. It was poetry. And Terence was inventing himself as the irish bard of the psychedelic zeitgeist. Through him, many listeners learned to trust their intuitions,…

…simply accepting the assumptions of science and secularism, dreary existentialism and religion. Well, in other words, the way I see it, Terence not only got us to think outside of our cultural boxes, he also gave us permission to trust our own thoughts.…

…our cultural boxes, he also gave us permission to trust our own thoughts. I can think of no higher calling of a teacher. Actually, Terence didn't teach us what to think. He taught us how to think. And for me, that's the sign of a true teacher, which…

…which is how I personally see the Bard McKenna. Now, near the end of the talk that we just now listened to, we heard Terence mention what he called this zippy thing and taking it on the road. And what he was talking about was the Zippy pronoia tour…

…in December of 1989 so as to better place this talk in its historical setting. First, though, you're going to hear Terence say that when a person begins having deep psychedelic experiences, that you set off cascades of synchronistic events. And when we…

…speaks excellent Spanish, one thing and another, and. He'S lovable for sure. Here, go for this. Well, sometimes I think that Terence is a sort of an instigator of dormant curiosities. So he certainly has stirred up my curiosity in the ayahuasca experience.…

…give you a little hint of what I plan on talking about a few weeks from now, I want to remind you of something that Terence said at the beginning of the talk that we just listened to. He said, and I quote, does it mean that causality itself is…

…to Nur, who in turn passed it along to the salon, as you're going to hear in just a moment. Along with Elizabeth and Terence is a man who Elizabeth introduces right at the beginning of the recording. But I couldn't clearly make out his name. Maybe some…

…out, I think his initial response was great and here's what he said. Lorenzo, I literally burst out laughing when I heard Terence say, I'm not sure pig intestines is the second ingredient of thanks for that. I have no chemistry background, so anything I…

…the same thing as tryptamine. Also, I suspect that o methylation would indicate that there is some oxygen present. So while Terence talks about O methyltransferase, perhaps what he wanted to say was n methyltransferes NMT with the n, meaning that the…

…action can be done in vitro? I honestly have no idea. Furthermore, I tend to interpret the comments by the guy speaking with Terence as being those made by a dude who is having trouble scoring DMT and who is looking for some way to mix together…

…know how relevant the topic actually is, but I truly love the phrase cauldron chemistry. For me, it brings up an image of Terence wearing a monk's robe and a tall pointy hat while bent over a steaming cauldron of some weird and smelly gook. And he…

…back to the times when I was fortunate to have been able to listen to some of his raps in person. But to watch Terence go on in great detail about either plants and chemicals or prehistoric civilizations, well, it just amazed me at how these talks of…

…are prevalent at any given time. The other thing that bothered me about it is that in one of the earlier lectures we heard Terence give. He initially set the end date at 2011, only to adjust it later on. And of course, the 2011 date is one that…

…two years. Interesting, huh? And if you've read Richard Tarnas excellent book Cosmos and Psyche, then you probably thought about it when Terence was talking about the similarity of the shape of the time wave between 1944 and 1996 with that of the shape of…

…correlations there. But for me, all of this is a little too much like divination of some kind. Remember, early on in his talk, Terence went on at length that each moment is unique, and if that's so, then I don't see how history of necessity has to…

…in June of 1989, which was 25 years ago. In case you don't want to do the math yourself, this talk begins with Terence discussing the fact that, well, at least back in 1989, there was very little effort being made to preserve information about the…

…of his book, I found it very well written and extraordinarily helpful in further understanding the complex person of his brother, Terence. And I'm sure that the first half of the book, which describes her childhood and the expedition to La Terrera, will…

…upside here is that in the past I've heard from several budding historians who had hoped to write a book about Terence themselves, but who abandoned their projects once Dennis's book was announced. Now, with this new information about crafting Dennis's book…

…plan on getting any further involved in the history of Terence McKenna. My position is simple, at least to me. I consider Terence to have been one of the most influential thinkers of the 20th century. Maybe not as much in his original thoughts, perhaps,…

…they don't match with what the net now says. And I'm not saying that one or the other is wrong because, well, Terence actually had one of the world's most comprehensive alchemical libraries at one time, the library that was destroyed in the fire. So…

…saw the difference between an alchemist and a shaman. Actually, I'd never even thought about that question before, and I think that Terence made a good stab at distinguishing those two crafts. But since I've already done more than my share of talking here…

…for it. Yet today there are close to 1000 websites on which my definition may be found, and it's very reminiscent of what Terence said. My definition of entheospace is, and I'm quoting from my book here, the realm of divine mind in theospace is actually…

…for us psychonauts. And one last thing that I want to point out about the talk that we just listened to is where Terence was speaking about our only hope for the future, when he said, okay, we. Don'T have time to educate everybody. We probably have…

…Which means that by his timetable, we are now down to our last 23 years or so. And if you, like me, agree with Terence that psychedelic medicines are the only hope we humans have to heal ourselves and our world, well, then, my question to you is, what…

…that the mind of Terence McKenna was about as unique as anything this universe has produced so far. And we'll have more of Terence in this workshop about imagination in my next podcast. But first, I want to do a little something different. As I mentioned…

…my neighborhood. Good old Igor. I still miss him today. Anyway, where's glasses has dog? Writes Lorenzo. I just finished Terence McKenna's true hallucinations and wonder if you know anything about Vanessa's photography. In the book it states she was…

…to listen to another recording that Terrence McKenna gave in October of 1995. And I should remind you that when you hear Terence giving what was the then accepted story about men being hunters and women being gatherers, well, that story has lately been…

…And so I picture adumbrations as sort of condensations of the vibration of an idea system. Wow. I don't remember ever hearing Terence mention his concept of Bella super space before. My guess is that his ideas may have come from conversations with Nick…

…are treated to some really poetic, almost prophetic, and certainly beautiful, eloquent riffs, some of which are the best I've heard Terence deliver concerning the importance of humanity and the extraordinary times in which we now live. In my mind here, I…

…quite obviously be better if I just kind of shut up and play the tape for us both to listen to right now. Welcome, Terence McKennon. Thank you very much. What I'm first of all interested in is your education. Like, how come that you develop this very…

…podcast. It seems to me that there is a lot to discuss. For example, about 50 minutes or so into this conversation, Terence made the following, and I quote on these matters of specific fact, like is the mushroom an extraterrestrial and that sort of…

…is modulating time to cause history. I just don't know what that means. Of course, that is exactly why I so love listening to Terence when he gets on one of his poetic roles. And I have no doubt that if the interviewer had pressed him to explain that…

…he, he couldn't see very clearly. It's just that my internal dictionary actually hasn't yet been fully synchronized with whatever one Terence was using. But isn't that why we listen to songs whose words remain somewhat obscure? I've never actually seen a…

…suggesting that its origins lie not in speech, but in gestures, dance and other forms of nonverbal communication. Terence then posits that early humans cognitive abilities were significantly influenced by psychedelic substances, in fact, magic mushrooms. This…

…know about, simply burst into existence in a single instant. Well, that kind of sounds like a religious fantasy to me. Of course, Terence stopped me again when he speculated that all time can be co present. Now think about that for a moment. To me, it…

…for time as well as for space. But I've probably been reading too much science fiction lately. About ten minutes ago, we heard Terence speculate that if you had 500 days of VR recordings of every minute of your daily life, and I quote, it could give…

…combination of AI and synthetic biology, you may be surprised at how well it fits into today's paradigm. So now let's listen to what Terence was thinking back in October of 1995. Well, since there are a lot of people here who sort of know me, I'll do…

…If that describes you well, my only advice is to at least slow down on the curves. Almost 30 years have now passed since Terence gave this talk, and we're still here. Of course, Terence did go on to say that, and I quote, human history has written…

…at least slow down on the curves. Almost 30 years have now passed since Terence gave this talk, and we're still here. Of course, Terence did go on to say that, and I quote, human history has written itself out of the picture. We are on the brink of…

…he was intellectually already the full on Terrence. And considering the fact that we now know that after 1988 or 1989, Terence never again had a mushroom experience, I immediately picked up on the fact that less than three minutes into his presentation,…

…did sometimes in the past. Now, getting back to the talk that we just listened to, do you remember the part where Terence was talking about the psychedelic experience being about teaching us how to die properly? For instance, he said, in shamanism and…

…place in 1994, because that was how the folder that these files were in was labeled. But in a few minutes, you'll hear Terence refer to the heaven's Gate cult. And they didn't actually become widely known until their mass suicide in March of 1997. So it…

…my desk, and once I've had a chance to digitize them, we'll listen to them here in the salon. Now, in today's program, Terence begins by talking about some books that he recommends for your psychedelic library. And I have to admit that I hadn't even…

…we can now find out more about them, much easier than we could have way back when this talk was first given. Also, Terence treats us to a more detailed look into the very high weirdness that he and his brother Dennis experienced at La Terrera in…

…Terence's concept of the end of history taking place actually in the decades bracketing 2012. Now, keep in mind also that the way Terence defined his concept of the end of history was that it would be the end of human only history and the beginning of…

…about to hear is how Terrence opened and closed that first session of his workshops. So there's still some really good old pure Terence in parts. But what I had forgotten about was that there was also some good commentary that took place as we went…

…going to give you a little assignment. For years now, well, a lot of us at least have been talking about the way Terence approached these events. Basically he would give a talk about something that was, well, vaguely in tune with whatever title had been…

…over a long weekend at Eslin Institute. You know that place? Those are the people who so very carelessly allowed Terence McKenna's entire archive. Rare books, papers, manuscripts, works in progress, everything, everything was lost to fire due to the…

…name. And my geek moment here is to let you know that Terrance's information about Stickney's death was a little off. You see, like Terence, he too died of a brain tumor. But it was in 1904, and that was about a decade before the war where Terrence…

…an interesting coincidence, don't you think? But what about Terence's memory? Though I'd never even heard of Stickney before, yet Terence, without the aid of today's Internet, had even read Stickney's poetry. Just think of the memory recall powers of McKenna…

…McKenna to pull such an obscure name out just like that. Well, that was one of the reasons it was so fun to watch Terence perform his poetic philosophy rapid. He was always coming out of left field with something like that, and to pull out close to…

…over my meaning's edge and feel a dizziness of the things I have not said, which carries a little different meaning from the way Terence recited it. But to tell you the truth, I've never been very good with poetry, and I can't honestly say that I get…

…a message that Kevin sent to me the other day. But now lets pick up where we left off. As you recall, im sure Terence had just finished saying that it is time for us to all start speaking about the unspeakable, namely the importance of properly using…

…their lives one thought at a time. Well, how was that for a rousing call to arms? I really can't ever recall hearing Terence, or anyone else for that matter, make such an impassioned plea for our species to begin to discuss and explore both the uses…

…ideas that may be found in ancient alchemical texts into a more modern and more easily understandable form than what you'll soon hear Terence read from. And in case you think that alchemy is a new interest of mine, let me read for you the opening…

…sure to follow. But enough of my own fictional fantasies. Now let's take a deeper peek into this mysterious arena by rejoining Terence McKenna's 1991 workshop on the hermetic tradition. So what I thought I would do is, in a highly chaotic fashion, read…

…reason that I began doing this is so that if you go to our program note site, you can search for various phrases of Terence that you once heard but can't remember where they came from. And with luck, that'll take you to the podcast that you're looking…

…And rather than try to answer that, I'll save that question for tonight's live salon. But right now let's hear what was going on in Terence McKenna's mind one day over 35 years ago. What I sort of want to talk about, and I can be led away from it if…

…drop out of the default world for the next hour. Now here is Michael Crancy to get things rolling. We always enjoy having Terence with us to talk about all kinds of things. Welcome to the program. Good morning. Pleasure to be with you. Well, let's…

…and your body and all this. And instead I think psychedelics brings you to the depth ecology vision of the earth, which I think Terence calls Gaia. It brings you to the mind of the earth and not transcending. I think that we need a real alternative to…

…the mind of the earth and not transcending. I think that we need a real alternative to the new age. And I think Terence is quite right, metaphorically, because Terence rejected going up to the high himalayas and he instead went down south to the depths…

…not transcending. I think that we need a real alternative to the new age. And I think Terence is quite right, metaphorically, because Terence rejected going up to the high himalayas and he instead went down south to the depths of the Amazon. And I think…

…Misogyny probably has an older history. Phyllis from Menlo park. Join us, please. Good morning. Wow, my mind is spinning. Hi, Terence. I was at the conference at Esalen where you and Mister Abraham and Leonard, pardon me, Rupert Sheldrake, I think, first…

…second annual Prophets conference, which was held in early February of 1994 on the hawaiian island of Maui. In the talk itself, Terence says that the title is speaking the unspeakable. But as you can already see, I have changed the title to better reflect…

…you can't beat them, ignore them. That's my motto. By the way, during the talk we just heard, I think you remember hearing Terence when he was asked a question about two cb. He said he really had no opinion and little information about it. However, if…

…in the salon, so it's easy for me at least, to make a mistake like that. In any event, it's always fun to listen to Terence, even if we've heard it before. And since we are at the beginning of a new season of the Salons podcast, I'm going to do…

…to those among us who would rather not listen to my long introductions. Well, I'm going to skip right to the talk. So here's Terence. I loved what you said about is it all right to feeling restless with psychedelics. It reminds me of a story that a…

…talk a bit about Terrence McKenna. If you've been with us here in the salon for a while, you are already know a lot about Terence. After all, during the past 15 years, I've podcast over 300 of his talks, but there are still a lot of people who have…

…still a lot of people who have never heard of him. And for what it's worth, in the year 2000, the Utni reader included Terence in his list of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century. So just think about that for a minute. Now, where to…

…case, I think that we've probably heard enough about that fated theory. But I should also warn you that early on in this talk, Terence tells us that in La Terrera, he became what he called a kind of alien ambassador for the mushroom, or perhaps for the…

…theory. In fact, I've received a lot of comments about the fact that my previous podcast of this workshop seemed to have left Terence in mid thought. Well, you're right about that, but the very next thing out of his mouth had to do with loading the…

…we've again gone a bit too long today, but there's one more thing that I want to do. A few minutes ago, we heard Terence give a somewhat detailed account of his version of a utopian society where people live very close to nature. But instead of a…

…Before I say anything else, I feel that I should point out how the trend of the conversation between Ram Dass and Terence seemed to carry with it a feeling of continuity from the sixties through the reverberations of the seventies and eighties to their…

…the world of physics lately, you already know that Stephen Hawking himself has recently said much the same thing, as we just heard Terence say, of course, that's my layman's take on it. And perhaps one of our fellow saloners who is also a physicist, will…

…telepathy. You're listening to the psychedelic salon where people are changing their lives one thought at a time. Just now we heard Terence talk about there being such a thing as psychic weather and that he took it into account before he ingested a…

…some overlays with current history that approach the uncanny, but that's probably just me. Anyway, in a few minutes we're going to hear Terence say, and I quote I somehow our inability to get a grip on our global problems has to do with this immaturity…

…we can't all follow these mathematical languages. But we probably could if we gave it more effort. Yeah. Excuse me, Terence. What vocalization and telegraphy are so miserable as tools for this all important job of communicating thought, real communication.…

…that I hadn't heard before. So hey, thanks again on behalf of the whole salon for doing that, Miguel. And so we'll begin with Terence answering a question about the difference in the quality of the experience. A five meo DMT and nn DMT trip. And yes, I…

…fast typisthenne. Unfortunately for our relationship, she didn't share my amazement, but I was really amazed. So now when we listen to Terence in just a few minutes, when he goes into really high gear about the revolution that's about to take place, well,…

…I mean, it's hard to explain, but whole societies are guided by people who are intoxicated by this material. Yeah. Terence, have any experiments been published that. Actually demonstrated those telepathic powers? Or was it purely subjective? Well, no, I think…

…notice the little synchronicity where someone in Terence's audience mentioned a book by Douglas Rushkoff? Although he mispronounced Rushkoff's name, Terence responded that Doug was a good friend of his. And since then, I've noticed that Doug has written over…

…let my grumpy thinking infect your mind as to the time wave being a dead end, here's a suggestion. When you listen to Terence talk about the flow of earthly history in regards to the time wave, instead of thinking about time and all of human history,…

…to a complete explanation about his time wave hypothesis. Now, about an hour and 20 minutes from now, you're going to hear Terence talk about a time over a year earlier when the so called Watkins objection to his time wave hypothesis was first raised.…

…one another? Well, I'm not so sure that much change has taken place at all since 1997. And then there's this point where Terence said that he believes that the universe does know where it's going because it's going even deeper into novelty. Well, I can…

…the universe itself? Is he saying that the universe is some kind of a being that can actually know something? I don't think that Terence actually meant that, but his language there is a little bit loose for me. So those are a few of the ideas that…

…the endpoint and having at it once again. But are you sure that this would really be a good use of our time? As Terence has made very clear, the graphical chart of the time wave is, at its most basic level, a graphical representation of the I ching.…

…to the psychedelic salon, where people are changing their lives one thought at a time. So what did you think about what Terence was saying about what he calls deep time, and his thought that during the childhood of our species, our ancient ancestors were…

…these kinds of phase transitions. So now, do you understand what I mean when I say that as I listen to a talk by Terence, he'll sometimes say something that just sends me off on a little brief tangent of my own thoughts. But shortly, I'll return back…

…of this hypothesis that was actually first suggested to him by his brother Dennis. And in fact, a few podcasts back, we heard Terence giving his brother credit for first thinking of this as a possibility. And since it was one of his earlier accounts, he…

…it, and the first two words of the recording were, these traditions. Now, do you remember the last few words from Terence just now? They were. And what traditions anticipated them? These traditions. Not such a big deal, you say? Well, you're probably…

…new culture? Well, since this talk was given over 25 years ago, there's been some changes in some of the positions Terence had. For example, I've seen some reports of microscopic fossilized fungus, and there are also several revealing and really well…

…fact this is the last session from that workshop that I'll be playing. It is in fact the Sunday Morning wrap up where Terence would cover anything that the participants brought up, and for anyone who is new to the world of McKenna, this will give you…

…his grandson, uh which is about the only book I've ever read that even pertains to the sort of? Uh cosmic time scale that Terence talks about. Enough and one of the warnings in the beginning of the book was that if you read this with enough attention…

…we hear and read to become despondent and feel hopeless about the future of our species. But on the other hand, what Terence just said about the world becoming more psychedelic is I think, measurably true. When I first became involved in the psychedelic…

…connect all matter, including galaxies and gas clouds. Now I don't know about you, but my guess is that this is precisely what Terence was talking about almost 25 years ago. I'll link to that article in the program notes for today's podcast in case you…

…notes via psychedelicsalon us. Now for the synchronicity watchers among us, besides the coincidence of stumbling on a talk in which Terence mentions the cosmic web, the superstructure of the cosmos, and that news of actually seeing it coming in the same…

…alchemy and the hermetic tradition. And we'll pick up where the conversation left off last week. But about ten minutes from now, when Terence is describing ancient Rome, see if it doesn't bring to mind the USA of today. Terrence, back to the first of the…

…future. However, I have to be honest with you. Although I've always been interested in alchemy and the hermetic corpus, listening to Terence read from those ancient tracts just doesn't do much for me. I guess the language is too reminiscent of some of the…

…thoughts so that you can join in if you want, when we discuss them in a live salon next year. Now, first of all, Terence uses a phrase that probably has been around for a long time, but, well, I just didn't remember hearing it before. And that is…

…the main reason, however, that I'm not going to make any comments at the end of this talk is because I want to let Terence have the last word here, because it's a matter of safety. Safety should somebody decide to defy the laws of the land and use…

…it's a matter of safety. Safety should somebody decide to defy the laws of the land and use psychedelics, as you'll hear Terence say, and I quote, I am terrified of psychedelics. I never take them without a sense of sickening dreadland. End quote. And…

…sickening dreadland. End quote. And I hope that you'll follow Terrence's few simple ideas for safe travels. And now here's Terence. Suggest to the. Scientific community that we are devolving rather than evolving. Well, you're referring to the Burgess shale…

…off last week, but there is a section of about 15 minutes that I cut out, and what it consists of is Terence continuing with more book recommendations and if you're interested in his bibliography, well, you can download this complete workshop on the…

…You're listening to the psychedelic salon where people are changing their lives one thought at a time. I bet that when you heard Terence talking about how we say, I see, when we understand something. And then he went on to say, and I quote, we trust…

…that he spoke of in my last podcast. Oh, and just a little heads up, in about five minutes, you're going to hear Terence say something about psychotherapy involving Adam, and that's not a person. Just to remind you, Adam was the code name for MDMA, or…

…about the mushroom, at least when it fit the point he was trying to make. But right now Im not here to quibble with Terence about the ultimate origin of mushroom spores. Rather im more interested in what I heard just now as a call to arms. Do you…

…well, it sounds quite manageable that doubling in such a short time span gives you something to think about, doesn't it? So let's join Terence now to hear what he has to say about this, as well as a host of other issues that seem to freely pop into…

…to you? Does it mean existing without any notion of time, or does it mean stepping out of time but being able to see what Terence calls all of time? And, of course, then the difficulty increases when we ask, what is meant by all of time? Is that only…

…planet's environmental situation has become so dire that, well, it might be good to hear a few thoughts about the environment from Terence. And one of the things that I believe you're going to find refreshing about his point of view is that even though…

…who attended this workshop, I've edited out all of their personal stories. However, there were a few interchanges that they had with Terence that I left in. And one is for my DJ friends who want a sample of Terence saying, most software, I think,…

…a few interchanges that they had with Terence that I left in. And one is for my DJ friends who want a sample of Terence saying, most software, I think, is written by freaks. I love that. I thought that it was really priceless. And so while the first…

…my everyday life. So if youve had a few experiences with ayahuasca and they didnt meet with your expectations after listening to Terence, well, dont despair. In fact, ive never been able to reproduce what I thought he was saying about any of the…

…know that this may upset some of our fellow saloners, most of them, probably, but I want to be honest with you. Well, Terence says that the test for him is whether he could have thought up these things without first ingesting a psychedelic substance or…

…is where all the real action is. But what really gave me a chuckle and a pause to consult a dictionary was when Terence said, it's almost a linguistic strategy of conceptual syzygy. Now, if I tried to say something like that, it would no doubt sound…

…almost a linguistic strategy of conceptual syzygy. Now, if I tried to say something like that, it would no doubt sound phony, but with Terence, it just seems to roll off his lips. A true bard, he was, or at the very least, he was a most excellent…

…id previously played several years earlier. But as some of our fellow slauners have pointed out, it never hurts to hear one of Terence McKenna's talks a second time or more. The talk that we are now going to listen to was given just two weeks before…

…many of these stories before. Yet listening to him retell one of his favorite stories is always a joy. So now let's join Terence and a few of his friends on a Friday evening in July of 1998. You really can't understand the future without the psychedelic…

…saloners who have read Greg Egan's most excellent science fiction novel, Permutation City. I want to let you know that Terence not only read that novel, but also recommended it quite highly. However, this particular workshop recording that we're going to…

…are holographically experiencing reality in the. Oh, well, I'm never going to be able to explain this very well, so let's just listen to Terence now. And if you are a Greg Egan fan, well, I hope that this makes you smile as much as it obviously did…

…a hole, isn't it? So, you know how much I know about this stuff. You know, on quite a few occasions, we've heard Terence talk about a transition of language from something heard to something beheld. At times, he seems to imply that words themselves will…

…abusing psychedelics to, well, to the point of going mad, that I found the most fascinating feature of this talk. Now here's Terence. What I'm always afraid of is that I'll be ostracized, except that it'll be entirely deserved. In other words, that going…

…Let's join them now. All right, back now to the world of Terence McKenna on the side of a volcano. By the way, Terence, just in case somebody or something does eventually push alternate control, delete being there on the side of a volcano, you would be…

…you. I can still not hear this guy. So relay the question, art. All right. Yell the question. Okay. Well, I'd like to ask Terence to analyze an experience of mine first, though. I want to ask him, can DMT in your brain be released by intentional means?…

…creature. And I'm thinking that maybe there's some meaning there that I'm not. Well, maybe I get your input. Let me ask Terence about it, Terrence. It brings us back to the geometric beings, or as sentient beings, I guess, that you experience with the…

…and mutating viruses and bacteria are not being delivered by these healing meteorites. At any rate, it is a very good question, Terence. We have all of these new little bugs that are turning against us in increasing numbers, with our ability to combat…

…So this is wonderful. Well, here's a question I have for Terrence. This has been happening to me for some time. When I heard Terence speak of the universe reaching out to us or trying to, it brought home to me some things that are happening. When I…

…you listen to him talking about these things, it may be a good time to examine your own mind in regards to the future. When Terence gave this talk some 25 years ago, he and many of his followers were quite sure that in some manner or other, the world…

…to organize the resistance while we still can. But for now, hold that thought until I return, after we first listen to what Terence has to say. So, with that cheerful little note, let's join Terence on an afternoon in February of 1991 when this talk was…

…that thought until I return, after we first listen to what Terence has to say. So, with that cheerful little note, let's join Terence on an afternoon in February of 1991 when this talk was first given. At that time, the senior living member of the Bush…

…I hope today's program will be leading us to is a further discussion of some of the topics that were touched on by Terence just now. You see, while I truly believe that we have at least another century with the owners of the american empire continuing…

…are ways for us locals to not only survive the empire, but to actually thrive while Rome burns all around us. Now, something that Terence also said was, as long as we can meet like this and talk, we can win. And he said that in conjunction with his…

…a variety of titles, the main one being vision plants. I think I got over 100 hits when I searched for mp3 s of Terence with that title. However, in a move that I'm sure will infuriate scholars for years to come, I'm going to once again rename one…

…very interesting way. Terrence, welcome to the program. It's a pleasure to talk to you again. Art, how are you? I am fine. Now, Terence, let us begin. Where are you in the islands? I mean, not exactly, but sort of roughly. I'm on the big island of…

…and rational person after that description, but I am. But I had this experience and I've had it repeatedly. So I'm. How repeatedly, Terence? Probably in my life. 30, 40 times. 30 or 40 times? All right, now, that is a very important question. 30 or 40…

…you and ask you right there about that. You mentioned drugs of addiction, which you don't defend. Fine. Psychedelic drugs. Terence, why are they illegal? They're illegal because the people who take them tend to question established cultural values. That's…

…on for a couple more weeks and I'll begin to mix it up a bit once again. Now, last week when we listened to Terence introduce this workshop, we heard him say that he was getting tired of just talking about the nuts and bolts of psychedelics, and then…

…talks for you. Now, today's program, I just discovered, begins with the final 14 minutes of the talk that we last heard from Terence in podcast 538. I was going to insert a little comment at the break to signify the beginning of today's talk, but, well,…

…fairly minor character and he wrote these sort of foppish little social comedies, these plays. But one quote survives from the roman poet Terence. He said, I am a human being, and therefore nothing human is alien to me. And the dilemma of our moment in…

…first place you go when you're going to take a new drug is the library. You know, read through, you know, all this stuff. Terence, can I ask you a couple of questions? Sure. Most intriguing to me. Well, one comment there is in the oriental art history,…

…reason I point this out is that in my podcast, number 263, which was the second part of Eric Davis's interview of Terence, shortly before his death, Terrence recited that jingle once again, but that time he mentioned DMT instead of ketamine. Not only am…

…wound up feeling like I was at some kind of a rally or something, but why am I talking about it? Let's just rejoin Terence, where he left off in the last podcast, just as he was beginning to read another passage from Finnegan's wake. Let us now…

…simply an urban legend that has absolutely no basis in fact. If you listen carefully to his talks, you'll discover that Terence didn't use psychedelics very frequently, particularly in the last decade or so of his life. His recommendation was to use them…

…to imply that any psychedelic podcaster is a government agent, but by repeating an unfounded supposition about psychedelics, having killed Terence is very unhelpful. Probably as unhelpful as I'm being here in supposing that it was overuse of a cell phone,…

…idea of what a great drug story can be all about. And I suspect that you also noticed something that I can't remember Terence ever having said before, and that is that perhaps when psychedelics dissolve the ego, that each and every one of us then turns…

…of the Channel Tunnel between the UK and the continent, and the inauguration of Nelson Mandela as president of South Africa. So let's join Terence and a few friends now and find out what was on his mind back then, which is. Just simply an excuse to get…

…are changing their lives one thought at a time. Now, if you're an old timer here in the salon, you probably know where Terence is going with this. But just as an irreverent aside here, looking at the current state of what is laughingly called human…

…anything that I didn't already know, but I'd never thought of it in the way it now appears to me. After Terence recited the year in which some psychedelic substances were first synthesized. Mescaline 1919, lsd 1938, DMT 1956, psilocybin 1959, and then…

…then I'm not only up to it, I'm all for it. But, you know, back before that, at least for me, I think that Terence made the clearest statement about death that I've heard from him yet. You remember what I'm talking about. It was when he said that…

…exact same experiences as he did under DMT, for example, near the end of today's talk, you're going to hear Terence categorize several psychedelic substances by their personalities. Well, for the record, I completely agree with everything that he says there.…

…going to find close agreement to Terence's personality assessments. Now, in answer to the question that starts off today's workshop session, Terence begins with a description of his youth in a way that I hadn't heard before today. We would say that he…

…to the bully problem. If the psychedelic community ever decides to create its own pantheon of gods and saints, then, well, maybe Terence should be dubbed the patron saint of non athletic geeks who are being bullied. But why am I telling you this? Let's…

…You're listening to the psychedelic salon where people are changing their lives one thought at a time. At several points in this talk, Terence said that he wouldn't be who he had become had it not been for cannabis. And I find it amusing when he said…

…that a toque before bedtime hasn't always been the secret. A happy old age. And for what it's worth, at the time, Terence made the statement about never having encountered anyone more dedicated to cannabis than he was. Well, at that time, he hadn't yet…

…change was just beginning to become apparent in August of 1998, how much more so they have become apparent today. As Terence said back in 1998, and I quote, the unappreciated consequences of what we're doing is that we're actually building some kind…

…what, if anything, are we, as a psychedelic community, charged with now, now that we know what we know? So let's once again join Terence and see if we can come up with a few answers to that question. Okay, well, welcome to epistemology 101. This is our…

…now. I wanted to particularly thank you for promoting Dennis's book, and I hope you keep on doing so until the target is reached. Terence means a great deal to me and indeed to most of your listeners. I'm sure we can't afford to let this opportunity go…

…clearly, I'd really be careful that you don't automatically assume that what he sees so clearly is how it still is. And in fairness to Terence, it's also wise to keep in mind that the talk that we're about to listen to was given in May of 1993, so it…

…the very end of this talk, we get to hear what I think is the best description of a DMT trip that we've yet heard from Terence. And I may have missed this in the past, but it's the first time that I remember hearing him say that, in a way, the…