Originally aired as Salon #391 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "I have been underwhelmed by the accomplishments of Indian spirituality, personally; overwhelmed by the accomplishments of Amazonian spirituality." "I'm also very suspicious of secrets. I mean, if you tell me one it's finished."

A few months before the release of his book "True Hallucinations", Terence McKenna was asked to recount the experiment at La Chorrera, and since he "ran out of material" for the workshop he gives a detailed account of the events of 1971.