Originally aired as Salon #567 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. Recorded April 1995. "I take psychedelics to be the catalysis of language." "This great period of creativity that we're living through now in the sciences, in the arts, in the implementation of exotic technology…"

Originally aired as Salon #472 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "An interesting thing about drugs is often, when a new drug is discovered, it takes a long time to figure out how do you do it." "In 1948, television was introduced, and millions and millions of people lead larval, low-awareness, warehoused lives."