Originally aired as Salon #577 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "We asked for it, but we never knew we would get it in such spades. Last week was the 25th anniversary of the experiment at La Chorrera." Part 5 of Terence McKenna's Countdown Into Complexity series.

Originally aired as Salon #387 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "Psychedelics, by melting assumptions, by destroying the expectations of rigid educations creates a fluidity of possibility that may allow answers to emerge. And it's the only thing that I've seen that operates on a time scale sufficiently short to have an impact."