Originally aired as Salon #442 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "One of the reasons I'm so fond of psychedelics is because they transcend rhetoric." "Meditation and all these other things I take to be co-options organized by beastly hordes of priests."

Terence McKenna 04:11 Ralph begins with “Fractals on my mind, an epic in four parts.” . . . Part one, the sandy beach. 13:54 Ralph Abraham: “It’s the fractal boundary, the sandy beach, which destroys determinism.” 16:58 Ralph Abraham: “At the age of one, […]