Originally aired as Salon #504 of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. "I tend to think that there is a kind of unconscious racism in the suppression of the idea that the origin of not high culture but of humanism itself is in Africa." "The psychedelic experience is about what is real."

"Alcohol could hardly be more different than psilocybin in terms of the social values that it promotes." "Warfare is the natural consequence of agriculture." "I really see psilocybin as a kind of inoculation against the primate nature."