…prescribe, and you have to convince them that you're depressed to get any. I think you should just dump that whole Judeo Christian guilt trip and realize that we are not adapted for extreme northern and southerly latitudes and we need to fiddle with our…

…called St. Veronica Dale. And most powerful thing, we used it every session. When they used it with me, I was not happy with Christian, I'm telling you. I mean, I had a family of christians, and they were all cruel. And so I wasn't about to look at…

…it infantilizes you because it provides answers. You know, the culture has answers. Work hard, make money, be a good Christian, jew, Muslim, whatever, and culture is not your friend. The psychedelic experience is a primary recasting of experience. It's as…

…to hell and Satan and devil bullshit. You got to be kidding. But I mean, where would that come from? Maybe the Christian control looked at these people and said, look, you know, you just like paganism, everything. I just like wipe out their connection…

…we have no theory for out of the class of the. I mean, I suppose somebody who was. A fundamentalist or some kind of Christian might say, well, God's will. Out of the class of what is. Possible, what comes to be is God's will. Well, that would be…

…happened to him his changes. Well he turned blue. He turned really blue we should have said he turned blonde when he reached Christian Consciousness. And what happened I don't know it was just weird it wasn't the same his Face had just gotten really dark…

…it was, handled in Europe and America and examine the phenomenon of death the doctrine of the soul in all its ramifications neoplatonic, Christian, Dynastic Egyptian Etc I am sure you are all familiar with some or all of these what you get is the idea…

…finer levels of vibration, the whole notion of the word becoming flesh which occurs in cosmogonic myths as diverse as the judeo Christian and the Australian Aborigine. It's always about a word a word was uttered and this word was somehow more than a word…

…but I call this thing the transcendental object at the end of time and I think you know in a sense religion and Christian Revelation it will all be fulfilled in a way none of us ever suspected because nature has this appetite for novelty and…

…there has been confirmation of this? Well at the University of Mississippi a few years ago a team led by a guy named Christian. All those papers are in the literature and in fact, anyone interested in this should just search DMT on the internet and they…

…unless there's a total social transformation because my analysis of it is the reason everybody from a marxist state to a Christian Oligarchy to a high tech industrial democracy can get together and agree that psychedelics are a terrible terrible thing is…

…maybe it was the daughter of rabi luv and instead of having this 30 year war between two denominations of the Christian Faith in their atavistic, patriarchal women debasing way, I could imagine that instead you have a black goddess cult developing instead…

…wants to play a musical instrument and most people have a secret desire to drum. It's been jerked from our culture through the Christian Church they said it's licentious and you can't do that anymore. So people are finding they can drum they get hands on…

…gonna lead me to suffering, it's gonna lead me to peasantry and that path goes on forever. When you got the buddha blues, well Christian people believe you go to heaven or you go to hell. The Jews believe the messiah's yet to come gonna judge this life…

…so peculiar that if you experience it it completely liquefies your categories and you can't, you're blown. That's the sound that the Christian Mystics used to call the flapping of the angel wings. Is that the one, the helicopter? I don't know it seems…

…facet of it. Let me be more explicit. Hitler: One of the things that he did was that he felt the exhaustion of Christian values. He felt Christian values to be bourgeois, so he tried to enkindle an interest in the nordic, pre Christian Nordic myths, and…

…me be more explicit. Hitler: One of the things that he did was that he felt the exhaustion of Christian values. He felt Christian values to be bourgeois, so he tried to enkindle an interest in the nordic, pre Christian Nordic myths, and the Hitler Jungen…

…of Christian values. He felt Christian values to be bourgeois, so he tried to enkindle an interest in the nordic, pre Christian Nordic myths, and the Hitler Jungen were always going off to sing folk songs around the campfire and press wildflowers and…

…discussions with people and I'm considering co hosting the spirituality conference which is just shaken loose from two very Christian oriented people and what they've done is Split Out Christianity to another conference and now the spirituality conference is…

…died out in England. It was only in the advanced celtic civilizations on the fringes of the British Landmass that the Christian Tradition was preserved. The other connection and I don't know if this may fascinate you or not but the misinterpretation and…

…their faces and then leaving the cities or you know I don't know something like that but it's sort of like the Christian Notion of the rapture it's a sudden, unexpected indwelling of spirit. Well okay that's one version, another version. Here's a slightly…

…or launch themselves. And I'm sure as we approach the millennium you can feel the built in apocalyptic expectations of judeo Christian Culture just swelling to burst at the seams. Well I think anybody who didn't have some kind of fairly strong model…

…That's what Buchanan means when he talks about cultural war. It's the meme war that he's talking about. Shall we be white Christian, Upright rectitudinous human beings or shall we be dope smoking, homoerotic? These are all memes and as you said very well,…

…turn the millennium. Well we're going to turn the millennium and whether it's progressive or not, there will be a lot of Christian Hysteria as we approach the millennium, because it's not only well it's their last chance. I mean I don't think anybody…

…was lost in prehistory can be regained from where we are without shattering the entire print created dominator phonetic alphabet: judeo Christian Stich. Because you know we're in this funny place it's like a cusp. I mean visualize a surface which looks like…

…the first mate I'm sorry, the yes the first mate starbuck, Ahab is raving on. And Ahab and the first mate who represents Christian right reason, tries to inject a note of sanity into this undertaking. In other words he's the straight man, he stands for…

…have discovered that if you are curious and you push the edges, it comes completely apart this cheerful world constructed out of judeo Christian Ethics and newtonian space you can just blow it away. And DMT is the sine qua non of that because what it…

…just drenched in DMT like vibration. But he talks in there and I hadn't known this about the doctrine of purgatory in the Christian Church. I had always assumed that that came out of the early church councils and was related somehow to the rivalry of…

…and a lot of heated scholarship about this you can imagine, because you can see what's at stake: the validity of the Christian Religion itself. So what allegro did and it was a complicated linguistic analysis that we can't judge unless we're scholars of…

…Late at night on my radio 15 years ago, Muammar Gaddafi was presented as the antichrist. One of the things that this Christian Theory of history does is it encourages one to examine current events to see if they fit the so called apocalyptic scenario…

…then that the final days are upon us and this has happened many, many Times, Joaquin of flora being a recent Christian Example of this. And there are secular millenarian theories as well, marxism being the most spectacular example I mean the marxist…

…established today, and it's a very important point because up to very recently most people who were at all interested in Christian teachings or in anything that has to do with Christianity and the Christian Tradition, most of those people were particularly…

…most people who were at all interested in Christian teachings or in anything that has to do with Christianity and the Christian Tradition, most of those people were particularly interested in what the Christian Church, in the widest sense of churches, teach…

…that has to do with Christianity and the Christian Tradition, most of those people were particularly interested in what the Christian Church, in the widest sense of churches, teach about jesus. And either they were interested because they wanted to believe…

…and you're told: you know, you are a male child you are a citizen you are a citizen of the United States you are a Christian, you are a jew you will go to college you will do this and this you never question. It's called the social contract. It…

…is a compromise between the natural family of six to eight and the demands of the industrial revolution and the guilt of Christian Civilization. Two children is a horrible number of children to have. Mostly when you have two children they fight like cats…

…It's a losing battle. But at one point I think in chapter 53, the quarter deck, the first mate starbuck, who represents Christian right reason, says they're talking about moby dick and he takes the animal rights position. And he says to Ahab: he says,…

…over this it was just accepted. And to this day sugar cultivation in the third world is a kind of institutionalized slavery. Christian you know the popes, the kings of Europe, all of Christian Civilization acquiesced in the bringing back of a practice that…

…in the third world is a kind of institutionalized slavery. Christian you know the popes, the kings of Europe, all of Christian Civilization acquiesced in the bringing back of a practice that had been discredited during the fall of Rome in order to…

…critiques and bourgeois society is about, is what I call the primacy of direct experience. You know, if you are inside a Christian world or a capitalist world or a Jewish world or a republican world or a democratic world these are worlds of ideas,…

…language unknown to anybody, but highly emotionally charged and somehow related to their religious beliefs which are in the Christian Context usually this pentecostalism and protestantism or evangelical catholicism. But the reason I bring it up is because…

…at the gates of Rome. Within 120 years the emperor had to convert. Within 200 years the empire itself was Christian and hydrostatics, mathematics, hydraulics, engineering these things all came to a screeching halt. Nothing was done. One thing mattered:…

…good word had come from Jerusalem and for a thousand years society was in stasis. Nothing happened. We just adumbrated the Christian message and studied its implication. Now what happened and why did it happen? What happened was that Rome was an imperial…

…Mystery religions are exterminated the knowledge of the ancient world is destroyed the whole thing is established in the patristic early Christian model. Now we have an even worse situation: the same thing but on a global scale a vast imperial force built…

…substitute for clear and rational thought and analysis. So in a way, much about it is not new, it is pagan, it is non Christian, It's got its. Some of these things are legitimately Neo Pagan echoes and some are in fact new faith made up out of whole…

…attitude toward killing was rather different from ours. I heard one of them who had become a convert, telling how, what a good Christian He'd become, and he said: I gave up drinking very easily. That was no trouble. I gave up women and doing things I…

…the spread of LSD was viewed with such alarm by the establishment, because it appeared that the machinery of right thinking Christian Capitalist society was simply being dissolved before the startled eyes of its purveyors by virtue of the fact that many…

…the same way. Where, you know, I have a certain amount of faith that when we look at this thing, you the jew, you the Christian, you the smart person, you the dumb person, you the Buddhist we all still see the same glass. But if I were to describe…

…for instance in the middle ages in Central Asia, they would meet at Kashgar and places like that a jew, a manichean, a Christian, a nestorian, a Buddhist and a Jain, and they would hold vast public debates for days attended by hundreds of people shouting…

…this and then looked back through mythology, it's always been there the mandaeans, who were a gnostic cult of even the pre Christian Period had the notion that when the messiah for them came, he would construct a machine of some sort they'd call it…

…consensus. I remember the weekend that the heaven's gate people made their exit. It was Easter Weekend and topic a in Christian America was: how could people believe something so absurd and people asked themselves this question as they dressed for midnight…

…for reasons entirely divorced from who you are, where you are and what's good for you. For example, in the middle ages Christian Piety permeated every level of society and every act and every thought even of the critics of Christian Piety. It wasn't that…

…in the middle ages Christian Piety permeated every level of society and every act and every thought even of the critics of Christian Piety. It wasn't that there were people who stood apart from it. If you defined yourself by attacking it you nevertheless…

…in 50s science fiction the wholly totally other sounds much more like invaders from the rim than anything associated with the judeo Christian Tradition. Somehow in the same way that we have Disney Fied the elves, we've actually Disney Fied god too. And so…

…whole chemical revolt was about. It was about a suppressed, marginal minority of deeply pietistic original thinkers, but heterodox, non Christian, keeping together a tradition that I think has been reborn or rediscovered in our own time, and it's the…

…always been interested in the mandaean cosmology, which mandaeans are a sect that arose probably around Jerusalem Somewhere in the early Christian Era. They claim they were founded by John the baptist, but who knows? But anyway they can be traced back to…

…been used by the ancient aztecs before the Spanish came to Mexico and that the basis of the religions, these pre Christian Religions, was this magical mushroom. And on the occasion of the coronation of montezuma, the Great Mexican King emperor, the entire…

…basic that's the form. I'm sure it's no news here that we are approaching the third millennium, that a thousand years of Christian Civilization is percolating to its end, that we're on the brink of some kind of turning in the cosmic machinery. And though…

…the millennium. I mean they truly believe that jesus is coming. So you know this whole period around 2000 will be monopolized by Christian Rhetoric and hoopla. Then beyond that it looks like you know I would hate to think that this is some kind of new…

…That's right. Yes you see 19th century science arose in an atmosphere of what was called deism. Deism was the current form of Christian Theology that said that the universe was a kind of Universal Machine that god had built and set running and then gone…

…to dream the dream of becoming whatever we want to become. And it's very difficult because we're emerging from the umbrella of Christian Theology that told us that human nature was sinful, blemished, fallen from its true state. And yet you know we really…

…dramatic. 1122, the crusades, specifically the second crusade which was the important one. What this means is that the insularity of Christian Europe begins to dissolve under the impact of contact with the orient. And it had the impact on Europe that trade…

…discussions with people and I'm considering co hosting a spirituality conference which is just shaken loose from two very Christian oriented people but they've done it and Split Out Christianity to another conference and now the spirituality conference is…

…Christianity into England in the 900s Christianity had advanced celtic civilizations on the fringes of the British Landmass that the Christian Tradition was preserved. The other connection I don't know if this may fascinate you or not but the myth…

…and satan and Dallas. Well that's bullshit. You've got to be kidding but I mean where would that come from maybe the Christian control looked at these people and said: look, you know you just like paganism and everything, just like wipe out their…

…was no longer acceptable and they were trying to just be a very proper state community totally in line with the Christian Scottish Environment around even though they still weren't illegal in Scotland of course nobody does mushrooms in Northern Scotland and…

…first. But imagine if after world war Ii, a drug had been introduced into this country of right thinking, hardworking, decent Christian people, such that 20 years after its induction the average American Citizen would be spending six and a half hours per…

…to make a cultural revival. Now a perfect example of this that everybody can understand is what happened in the Renaissance Medieval Christian Civilization was exhausted by the 1400s. There had been you know 70 popes in a hundred years and not one of them…

…in a hundred years and not one of them had died a natural death. It was not a pretty picture and nobody believed in Christian Ethics or papal power there was just deep cynicism. It was a culture dying and a group of Italian Capitalists got together and…

…in extraterrestrials without question invariably vibrate with the same kind of narrow minded, opinionated aura that you get with Christian Fundamentalism or anybody who has all the answers. I think it's very unlikely that these are extraterrestrials, because…

…two things that are associated with the Irish Invariably are intoxication and little people and some of you may know that in Christian Theology there is the concept of purgatory and purgatory is where the souls of unbaptized children are thought to go, and…

…they used it very successfully in the slavic conversions. So purgatory is really fairy land shoved into an uncomfortable accommodation with Christian Dogma but it is the basis of both beliefs is the same phenomena which are revealed under DMT the presence…

…know when Alaric the visigoth and that crowd, and he's always called a barbarian he was a barbarian but he was a Christian Barbarian he was not some pagan. Jonathan mentioned last night that Valentina Wasson was the first to suggest that psychedelics be…

…at a certain period that that's the peak amount of DMT in your system I think this was a group around a guy named Christian or Christensen who published in the early 70s who were at the University of Alabama. They did a fair bit of work studying see…

…different from the REST of nature. And on the basis of this ontological distinction from the REST of nature judeo Christian Monotheism inflated by Greek Science permitted an attitude toward ourselves and the world that created toxic environments, a population,…

…not to judge anyone particularly, but all of them are impulses toward the archaic and against the world of the petty bourgeois materialist Christian Monogamites and it's been one hell of a fray and it's not over yet but I think that the values of the…

…the word paradigm, but a new style of thinking that is trying against enormous odds to overcome the lethal momentum of Christian Linear straight thinking. A couple of questions about the psilocybin theory of human development and evolution. First one is: why…

…of new forms with no end. That's one possible kind of attractor. But if there's an end which is what the entire judeo Christian Myth of history leads us to believe and we're within the field of a judeo Christian Myth of history whether we like it…

…an end which is what the entire judeo Christian Myth of history leads us to believe and we're within the field of a judeo Christian Myth of history whether we like it or not the whole cult of progress depends on it and the idea that there's some kind…

…also the kind of religious faith that drew the pilgrim fathers to the United States and it was the faith from the judeo Christian Heritage, the faith in the promised land the promise of a land in the future or somewhere else which will be flowing with…

…here maybe it was the daughter of rabbeinuth and instead of having this 30 year war between two denominations of the Christian Faith in their atavistic, patriarchal women debasing way, I could imagine that instead you have a black goddess cult developing…

…to play a musical instrument and most people have a secret desire to drum. It's been jerked from our culture through the Christian Church. They said it's licentious and you can't do that anymore. So people are finding they can drum they get hands on…

…me to suffer, it's gonna lead me to pay some dues and that path goes on forever. When you've got the buddha blues, well Christian people believe you go to heaven or you go to hell. The Jews believe messiah's yet to come gonna judge this life so well…

…this phenomenon occurs in most societies throughout the world and most societies associated with an indwelling of spirit whether they be Christian, Muslim, Animist or what have you this spontaneous vocalizing of language like activity is seen to be a sign of…

…like that. But the use of slave labor in agriculture was something that was brought back in the 14th century by the Christian Gentlemen of Europe Specifically for the production of sugar. No other reason. The stuff which came later, the tobacco and the…

…in the bowiti cult and they achieve it and they achieve it and it allows them to resist cultural incursions by Christian Missionaries. Bowiti is the main cultural force that is holding back conversion to Christianity by these people fang culture, the people…

…we did it so that the church could have power over. Well I think it was Frederick Nietzsche who said there was only one Christian and they crucified him. It's such a good line. It comes now. Have you been waiting for me because I'm the waiter I need…

…which aspires to be the seed for a living world is about the union of spirit and matter as well. And the Christian Scenario of redemption at the end of profane history is another scenario of transubstantial union, union of spirit and matter this seems…

…The fall of a once wall straight old par is retailed early in bed and later on life do it down through all Christian Minstrelsy. The great fall of off wall entailed at such short notice, the fit shoot of Finnegan, Earth's solid man that the humpty…

…a once wall straight old par, which is just an old person, is retailed early in bed and later on life down through all Christian Minstrelsy. The great fall of the off wall entailed at such short notice the fitchute of Finnegan. Now this word p f t j…

…book or if that seems too concrete a story, a narrative the story of man's fall and redemption that was what the Christian Exegesis of post edenic time was all about. With the rise of modern science, the notion of narrative has become somewhat overthrown.…

…causes glossolalia. Glossolalia is syntactically structured language like behavior in the absence of meaning. Speaking in tongues is what Christian Fundamentalists call it, but they don't have a monopoly on it it's ancient, it occurs in all cultures, it's…

…are keeping the drug problem going the most cynical by dealing and importing drugs and the most naive through the kind of Christian Terror of look at the monstrous industries that have been built up with it the drug urine screening shamble, but they're…

…different thing than this model. You inherit out of the idea that you're a three dimensional animal inside a democracy with a Christian Heritage and a Dewey Decimal cataloging system or whatever. Anyway these are some of the notions that occur to me in…

…calm big words, citation, that sort of thing. What is the difference between your vision of the end of history and the Christian Belief in a savior? This is a great question. Well it's complicated. The way I think of this transcendental object at the…

…began to watch these two time streams diverge from each other and in one time stream I see the rise of Christian Iconoclasts, the suppression of the pagan mysteries, the destruction of the Greek Academies, the suppression of roman science, mechanics and…

…the Greek Academies, the suppression of roman science, mechanics and this sort of thing the rise of the dark ages as the Christian Eschatology takes hold in Europe in the other time stream, what I observe is no suppression of the pagan mysteries, no…

…you begin to get the idea. In world I, the postponement of the discovery of the new world and the expression of Christian values creates a stultified beer and wool society that nobody seemed to enjoy very much. In world Ii, a fantastic psychedelic…

…of Christianity was that it had not made a place for what he called the shadow. And he said the productions of Christian Culture will always be neurotic because the shadow has not been included. So there is a lack of psychic balance. Perhaps the…

…of new forms with no end. That's one possible kind of attractor. But if there's an end which is what the entire judeo Christian Myth of history leads us to believe and we're within the field of a judeo Christian Myth of history whether we like it…

…an end which is what the entire judeo Christian Myth of history leads us to believe and we're within the field of a judeo Christian Myth of history whether we like it or not the whole cult of progress depends on it and the idea that there's some kind…

…also the kind of religious faith that drew the pilgrim fathers to the United States and it was the faith from the judeo Christian Heritage the faith in the promised land, the promise of a land in the future or somewhere else, which will be flowing with…

…of this is the rise of infant Christianity. If you'll cast your mind back to the situation in the early years of the Christian Era and imagine the mentality of a roman aristocrat a person of power in roman society. Their physics is drawn from democracy…

…are essentially pretensions that have arisen in the dimension created by ignorance the dimension of ignorance created by the judeo Christian Attitude toward nature which sees it essentially as something to be exploited rather than integrated or made a resonant…

…of the new world and its subjugation which was like the carrying out of the ultimate fantasies of the neurotic judeo Christian Tradition a world to plunder ends very oddly with Gordon Wasson and Valentina Wasson in 1953 penetrating into the jungle highlands…

…mushroom psychedelic religion, eros, lost since the dismemberment of osiris, lost since great pan's death at the rise of the Christian Era, but not dead only sleeping and now through cultivation techniques and the propagation of ethnographic literature and the…

…so aptly put it these end time scripts? The only one which is truly pessimistic is the fundamentalist interpretation of the judeo Christian Appetite for apocalypse. That is a lethal script for the planet in which only 144 000 are saved. I agree and…

…an ontological transformation of categories, not the toxification or explosion of the planet. That is a unique point of view claimed by these Christian Groups and I think to the degree that they do that, they place a heavy burden on the REST of us. It's…

…all about. Along those lines can you address the fascination we have with years ending in zeros and millennialism and certain Christian Fascination with the end of the world? The question is can we address the certain fascination that people have with years…

…violence and ritualized sacrifice which all traditional cultures are based on ritualized blood sacrifice of one kind or another and the Christian Holy communion is a mutated form of the blood sacrifice central to our own culture. So I think that the…

…finer levels of vibration the whole notion of the word becoming flesh, which occurs in cosmogonic myths as diverse as the judeo Christian and the Australian Aborigine. It's always about a word a word was uttered and this word was somehow more than a word…

…other thing is Christianity took 300 years to become and it started off with different sets of people that were nurturing the Christian idea. Unfortunately the roman Catholic Sect won but it could be the same thing we could start these little sort of…

…the inheritors of it. But when Medieval that clued people to the idea that there was something wrong with Christian Idealism. And the Renaissance Capitalists, Italian City state entrepreneurs invented classicism. Classicism meaning a society based on the ideals…

…shut with the fall of Adam and I find Christianity fascinating. I don't believe a word of it because I don't think Christian Theologians understand what they're looking at but what they're looking at is the closest thing to the eschaton that we ever had…

…tobacco both fully established in the engines of commerce. It's a bizarre situation and largely driven by the agenda of Christian Fundamentalism in collusion with criminal syndicalists who see this as an opportunity for enormous profit and cynicism all the…

…bit but you're doomed anyway just because it makes for better theater or whether it is the happy ending of the Christian Eschaton. Yeah, what the 9th century's best tools were for cognizing these kinds of matters were scholastic theology and I've been…

…Banking families and the spinoffs of their enterprises. They created a world on the wreckage of the collapse of the Medieval Christian Eschatology based on classicism, and that model has survived and functioned fairly well up into the 20th century. This is…

…some other realm, a spiritual realm utterly disconnected from the sky. Now we've grown used to this so that if you suggest to a Christian, for example that when they say I'm a father who art in heaven, that this implies that god is located in the sky,…

…depended on our paradigm, our worldview and so on is evolving and for this reason you get in different and particularly in the Christian, even though this triune model was made illegal I think it was in 879 in the Council of Byzantium that the spirit…

…different representations and in this list, in your initial taxonomy I think we should include the saints and saintesses of the Christian and the Catholic Religion, because in spite of the one god, the yahweh theme of the judeo Christian Tradition, there…

…saintesses of the Christian and the Catholic Religion, because in spite of the one god, the yahweh theme of the judeo Christian Tradition, there doesn't exist always this changing and local list of deities which actually are the Christian form of these…

…yahweh theme of the judeo Christian Tradition, there doesn't exist always this changing and local list of deities which actually are the Christian form of these elves and so on, and we have the idea of the timeless forms or even there's an evolution, let…

…the relationship of the dead to these disincarnate entities. It's very interesting: did you know that the dogma of purgatory in Christian Theology was not created by theologians in Rome it was created by saint Patrick in an effort to make Christian Doctrine…

…is we're realizing our cultural ideals, whether we're conscious of them or not, and one of our cultural ideals is agape, Christian love or transparent telepathic sharing and so our technology becomes this. You know I mean that's why we invented printing…

…now the eyes of the shepherdess. What a strange name. Think about it for a moment. First of all notice that in Christian Iconography there are no shepherdesses period not one. We got shepherds you got your shepherds there at Christmas, not shepherdess, no…

…a left wing intellectual. The town I grew up in once made it into Ripley's believe it or not as a place that had more Christian Churches per capita than any town of its size in the United States. This was a town of 1 600 people with 42 Christian…

…Churches per capita than any town of its size in the United States. This was a town of 1 600 people with 42 Christian Churches thriving. When I was a kid I thought street corners were for churches. I didn't know you could have buildings on street…

…he collected the most amazing stories about fairies and fairy encounters. And I learned from rereading that book that you know the Christian Notion of purgatory, which is a place where you go that is neither heaven or hell, where you do time for minor…

…or something. It was dreamed up by st Patrick to convert the pagan Irish, to convince them that fairyland was part of the Christian map and he was so successful in converting the pagan Irish that when letters went back to Rome describing how he did it,…

…doctrine of the church and then it was used very successfully to convert the pagan slavs. So purgatory is fairyland dressed up in Christian Terminology. And what is the idea of fairyland? It's the idea that the dead live all around us, linger among us as…

…finer levels of vibration, the whole notion of the word becoming flesh, which occurs in cosmogonic myths as diverse as the judeo Christian and the Australian Aborigine. It's always about a word a word was uttered and this word was somehow more than a word…

…but I don't know, I wouldn't think that's enough to go on but then you said that in the in these traditions Hebrew, Christian Islam that there's a definite tradition of an end: in the mild form the millenary and in the strong form, the apocalyptic.…

…the and this it's just this completely bizarre production that is the one of the most puzzling pieces of literature in the Christian Canon. And the textual basis for this fantasy is entirely this revelation of st John the divine. That's right and is that…

…in the tens of millions who believe that you know in that it's happening, that it's underway I mean within the spectrum of Christian Belief, you can go with the seventh day adventists who hold the most extreme position, which is that it occurred in 1847…

…How many what percentage more or less of the human population of planet earth at the moment is involved in this Hebrew, Christian and Islam Religion? Very nice thing. However if you're trying to count the adherence to the apocalypse theory, you have to…

…Yes oh yeah the ocean so it's coming from the same culture but I just wonder how much credibility to give to the Christian Apocalyptic vision when less than half the human population is involved, it doesn't mean that just that half of the planet would…

…that isn't what happened at all, that saint Patrick is the person responsible for purgatory because he wrote purgatory into the Christian Doctrine in order to convert the celtic peasantry of Ireland to the idea that fairyland and the Christian Afterlife were…

…wrote purgatory into the Christian Doctrine in order to convert the celtic peasantry of Ireland to the idea that fairyland and the Christian Afterlife were the same place and it was thought such a good idea in Rome that the doctrine became canon law…

…would you tell me what you mean by detoxified? Detoxified means: what I mean by that particular image is that this isn't a Christian History this isn't a capitalist history this is a marxist history. This is like saying we applied the same kind of so…

…we get in a way the millennium is holding the process back, because the millennium is being squat on by Christian Fundamentalism to some degree. It's their holiday, it's the millenary celebration of what, of Western European values and Christian Civilization,…

…squat on by Christian Fundamentalism to some degree. It's their holiday, it's the millenary celebration of what, of Western European values and Christian Civilization, and once we get past it at year two, three, and it sinks in that there isn't going to be…

…second person of the trinity and so forth and that we're staring another thousand years in the Face the enthusiasm for the Christian right wing agenda and some of its more repressive and homophobic and racist tendencies will just seem old hat, it will…

…The main effect of the millennium will happen not within 18 months but in 2078, and by the time 4 372 of the Christian Era rolls around they'll say yes the third millennium actually kind of took off around you know the second century. I'm just not…

…be a coming of god on earth to rescue humanity from a fatal impasse, the version that this evolved into in the Christian Tradition, the apocalypse that is described in the new testament, where there would be a third coming of Christ in a transformational…

…are all heretical groups, departing from one or another dogmatic aspect of the organized church. So besides this Christian Heretical tendency they tried to organize communities which epitomized a certain ideal. Almost invariably they included sexual freedom…

…sexual freedom as one of the similar tenets arising repeatedly in reaction to the idea of sin and sexual repression in the Christian Tradition. In the revised work of Norman Cone of 1971, there is an extensive appendix in which is translated virtually all…

…as in the book of the apocalypse as in the book of Daniel which in this Jewish Apocalyptic literature, of which the Christian Apocalypse is a derivative. This is really a Jewish Tradition that's also present in Islam to some extent. The end of history…

…overpopulation, and this puts us very much in the field of this millenarian process. And that is, of course part of the Christian view of history which has become now spread throughout the whole world although many people are no longer Christian. This has…

…a kind of particular horror of the kind of boundary dissolving experiences that attend these plants. Another factor is the Christian Church. The reliance of magical folk practitioners on plants was consistently suppressed by the church. So we have evolved our…

…and everything will be thrown into primal chaos. And this prophecy was very strongly in the minds of the strains of non Christian thought that evolved at the centuries of closure of the roman empire. When you look back into historical time it's when you…

…because it assigns man an importance that the church would rather reserve to deity. So that's the first great division between Christian thinking and hermetic thinking an entirely different conception of what human beings are and when we get into the text…

…creation myth. This is book three, paragraphs one through a few and you will see the comparison, the similarities to the Christian Creation myth but with extraordinary differences. There was darkness in the deep and water without form, and there was a…

…and the philology of these languages to penetrate this stuff. The hermetic corpus was largely alexandrian. There were also Christian Platonists in Alexandria. There were certain centers Rome, Byzantium, Alexandria. Heliopolis in Egypt was a cult site that was…

…by standing armies of enormous size and policies of occupation of enormous cruelty. I mean because of our relationship to the Christian Tradition we're aware of such things as the zealot revolt of 69 and the reign of Herod Antiochus in Jerusalem and…

…is about the absolute worship of the irrational and the incredible, Origen, who was one of the great patristic writers, Great Christian Fathers. They said your religion is absurd, it's preposterous and he said: credo te absurdum. I believe it because it is…

…a mathematician, and it was a view that strongly appealed to them and their image of god was as a kind of a Christian God but with a kind of platonic or Pythagorean mind containing essentially the mathematical laws of nature. So that was one source of…

…still is the basis of physical and chemical thinking. The other view is the evolutionary view which comes to us from the judeo Christian part of our cultural heritage and in that view, the original part in the Bible. There's one thing that does change in…

…that are possible about this if the laws of nature are linguistic structures outside space and time, at least in the judeo Christian world the prevailing archetype is the word of god they're the word of god they're the logos, which is the traditional…

…and I'm beginning to think too much attention is the revitalization of science, acknowledging that science has replaced the traditional Christian Mythology with its own substitute mythology, and the weaknesses of this mythology are at the root of evil. So…

…be somehow fixed by incorporating scientific worldview into the church view and so on some sort of syncretism between the Christian Tradition, the judeo Christian model including its patriarchal weakness for the moment trying to repair that in the ways that…

…incorporating scientific worldview into the church view and so on some sort of syncretism between the Christian Tradition, the judeo Christian model including its patriarchal weakness for the moment trying to repair that in the ways that people are doing in…

…because I agree with Terence about the archaic revival is to find behind the existing forms and existing festivals the pre Christian roots which in all cases are the ones that feed the particular timing of the festivals and the particular locations of…

…the present tradition as it still goes on there's a continuous living strand in the tradition that goes right back to the pre Christian Shamanic societies of Europe. So I think that this is a connection that can still work I think it works for me, I…

…and you have the idea of god becoming man, the top down model of creativity. And it's interesting that they've coexisted in Christian Theology ever since the new testament in a kind of tension where at one time people emphasize one and at other times…

…too harsh. Well what I was going to say was the kind of culture that we inherit from the late roman emergence of Christian Dominance is the kind of culture that I imagine would come into existence if the third Reich had lasted a thousand years. In…

…are not privy to the transformation. It's very much I mean just to show you how weird life is it's very much like the Christian Notion of the glory. You know it's just this and it sweeps over the world and it takes everybody. I was very much affected…

…they say you know the time leading into the resurrection was one thing, the time after the resurrection was something else. And Christian Historiography is based around the axis point of the resurrection. And yet you know from the point of view of a roman…

…a small potatoes religious uprising where you drag this guy off and execute him and get things under control again. Then in Christian Hermeneutics the end of the world becomes like a secondary axis time and then the time between the resurrection and the…

…the resurrection and the end of the world is you know before the resurrection the gates of Paradise were closed, according to Christian Hermeneutics and all the souls they were unable to get into heaven they were held in a holding area for several…

…into heaven, all those souls accompanied him and the pipeline was open, and it is open until the last judgment. But the Christian Apocalypse is a vision of a world destroyed, not transformed, and my interpretation of that is: this is the nightmare of the…

…the ancestors, because every culture has its own way of dealing with them and its own way of acknowledging them. In the Christian Tradition, the festival of all hallows and all souls, Halloween is the eve of all hallows, November the 1st, and all souls…

…each other because of the issue of drugs? I think that the whole thing which is holding back legalization is the judeo Christian Uncomfortableness with the notion that somebody might have fun in a way that you disapprove of, because drugs like heroin and…

…stuff all of this will be discredited in England for years to come. It will be a tremendous body blow to the anti Christian forces in England and if you, and tracking information and shifts in social attitudes toward orthodox morality and so forth and so…

…my parish congregation. Well so when they start burning pagans at the stake where will you stand? Actually my position is one of Christian Animism. I believe that the true base of Christianity is to be rooted in the land and I think that the actual…

…fairly well established. Pilgrimage is on the increase. The idea that sacred places have ancient roots in the land and that Christian Cathedrals and churches are built on ancient pagan sacred sites appeals to many anglicans. They don't dismiss this. I try…

…and places, they did so partly because they assimilated it to their worldview. And they were able to assimilate it by including Christian Shrines in their sacred sites. So you could look at it from both points of view one, an incorporation of Christianity…

…religious columns in newspapers and that kind of thing. I've never heard any denunciation of crop cycles from any credible Christian no but denunciations of paganism I've heard almost none of those. The entire history of western civilization is a frantic…

…book or if that seems too concrete, a story, a narrative the story of man's fall and redemption. That was what the Christian Exegesis of post edenic time was all about. With the rise of modern science, the idea of narrative has become somewhat overthrown.…

…in other levels and in other applications. And I think the part of the end of the pre created linear Christian Positivist dispensation, etc etc is the recognition that mind extends infinitely in all directions. It isn't all rationally apprehendable to…

…And the web is the beginning of that because you could have several different points of view. You could have the millennialist Christian point of view which is to simply poison the planet because we're leaving anyway and have that be one set of them…

…a spiritually based educational system, then it's in a completely different realm of possibilities. The problem, however is that if it were Christian based then all the Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists would object if it were Jewish or you know and if it…

…Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists would object if it were Jewish or you know and if it were Hindu, then fundamentalist Christian Parents would object. You know what's stymied one of the terrible fan passes of the modern educational system is because of…

…or learning. There'd be an initiation ceremony and you could be initiated in any one of a number of ways through a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, each religion could run or if you didn't want to have any of the ones offered by the various religions,…

…that it was endogenously produced? Well I think they were studying the group that did this was at the University of Louisiana Christian and his group and they were studying fast reactions in the brain. And for fast reactions you have to look at chemicals…

…not so well known but that is an example that Marshall McLuhan makes a lot of is st Augustine, the great father of the Christian Church. He had a reputation for being a very holy man and the accounts of his contemporaries say that the way people would…

…if somebody comes up with the mummy of Christ? Well that's the kind of situation that these dead sea scrolls may place Christian Hermeneutics in John Allegro's book. No, John Allegro died recently. Sacred mushroom oh no the book by Philip K dick is called…

…loci, a god on the grecian model, not the god who hung the stars in heaven, but a local god, a pre Christian Bacchanalian nature power that is very alien and yet resonates with our expectations of what that experience would be like. Interesting that…

…must understand what we are. We cannot travel much further with the definitions of man that we inherit from the judeo Christian Tradition. We need to truly explore the problem of consciousness because as man gains power, he is becoming the defining fact…

…and transformed and fully wired from the depths to the heights. Are we just talking about another version of the Christian Death, resurrection, ascension into heaven, except that it is coming into history what is happening is that the Paradise promised…

…intelligence that we have lost contact with, and so we deny its intelligence we at this point even deny its vitality. The judeo Christian Shtick is that nature is to be at the service of man, and this is a complete inversion of the idea that human…

…it dismasted him, meaning it bit off his leg and destroyed his sexual machinery and his first mate, who functions as Christian right reason. Wimpy little starbuck says: vengeance on a dumb brute, cried starbuck, that simply smote thee from blindest instinct,…

…And this is it's by frank Tipler, and this is a very interesting article which tries to argue for the reality of Christian Eschatological hermeneutics in the light of information theory and actually makes a number of points that I thought I would be alone…

…to the events which created the universe in the first place. This is what ties this series of notions to Christian Eschatology, because the unique preoccupation of western religion, whether it be Judaism, Islam or Christianity is this weird insistence on…

…become possible, even cheap. So I then saw another possibility, and this is the way we can fulfill the expectation of Christian Hermeneutics but not require the second coming of Christ or the intercession of god almighty into history or all these other…