…my friend mack Larson gave me a little while back. This one is from august of 1985 and it features Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. I asked Ralph if this was their first esalen conversation and he said: well it may have been, although it wasn't the…

…place 38 years ago. Can I stick this on for those of you who haven't had the pleasure this is professor Ralph Abraham, Mathematician, dynamicist author of the foundation of mechanics and rascal, primarily known as a friend of Terrence's God forbid. Well…

…these podcasts going. And for today's podcast we're going to hear the recording of a private conversation Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake had back in September of 1991. Their topic that day was psychedelics and the computer revolution.…

…Rupert Sheldrake had back in September of 1991. Their topic that day was psychedelics and the computer revolution. And we begin with Ralph Abraham introducing the topic but as you listen try to keep in mind that this conversation was held in 1991 and a…

…recordings of the good Dr Leary, and so it seems that I can no longer ignore this part of modern psychedelic history. Heck, even Ralph Abraham quoted him in today's trial log so I guess that should be a sign for me to loosen up a bit. I'm not going…

…67 that I posted on the 22nd of December back in 2006. That was when I was podcasting the first of the trialogue tapes that Ralph Abraham loaned to us to use here in the salon. And as I told you in the introduction to that program, one of the tapes…

…thinking. But rather than any more of me approximating what was said, why don't we just listen to it now and see what Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake and Terrence McKenna had to say about the world's soul way back in 1989? So would anyone like to say…

…that that's not what's going to happen. I mean I hold monotheism responsible for the mess that we're in. All from you know, Abraham, not this one right on down to the present moment I think it is the metaphor which is responsible for the dominator…

…trial log. So today we're going to hear the last part of that 1998 trial log between Rupert Sheldrake, Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham in which they discuss their views on various aspects of what they call the evolutionary mind. In each session one of…

…the others then expanded upon, discussed and in some cases attacked one another's ideas but in a very friendly way. Now today Ralph Abraham begins the discussion by changing the focus to what he terms the edge of the millennium. And rather than have me…

…the author of this principle or at least the author of the documents on which their entire curriculum was based was Ralph Abraham. By careful questioning I was able to find out that the rectified sheldrake principle meant that because of morphic resonance…

…that there was in fact an entire process of educational reform afoot in this country behind which is the guiding genius of Ralph Abraham. So I think we should ask you this question, Ralph since you've more experience than most of us. Well I'd rather that…

…I was trying to decide what talk to play today, it dawned on me that it was way back in November of 2006 that Ralph Abraham loaned me his big box of cassette tapes of the trilogues he held with Terrence McKenna and Rupert Sheldrake. The plan at the…

…again. But there's nothing difficult about the next hour or so because we are in once again for some brain candy from Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake and the one and only Terrence McKenna. And even though it's only been a few days since my last podcast,…

…remind me of a passage I read in on the edge by Edward St aubin page where are we? 150? It's what Ralph Abraham calls the sunset effect, said Kenneth. While there's a beautiful sunset, even if the optical effects are produced by pollution, people won't…

…in the psychedelic salon. So how are you today all ready for another installment of the dialogue between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake? As you probably know already, we're getting down to the end of the first series of conversations…

…to wean us off the barred McKenna by diluting him a bit with two other popular speakers here in the salon, namely Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake, who joined with Terrence for one of their final trial logs. Actually you can find this trial log in…

…is now well behind us. But I came across a copy of the audio that Bruce Dahmer and I ripped from the video copy that Ralph Abraham gave us of this trial log, and we digitized it, and for some reason I stumbled on it today and decided to check it…

…back to Santa Cruz, California on June 6th 1998, way back before Windows 98 was even released, and we'll join Ralph Abraham, Terrence McKenna and Rupert Sheldrake as they ponder over the evolution of consciousness. We're going to talk about the evolutionary…

…I think it was last October that I last played one of these three way conversations between the biologist Rupert Sheldrake the mathematician Ralph Abraham and well what shall I call him the Bard McKenna. I guess the tape I'm going to play right now is a…

…intended to be produced as a commercial venture. All I know about the tapes are that they were in a batch of cassettes that Ralph Abraham loaned to Bruce Dahmer and me to digitize in order to pass along here in the salon. So let's listen to this old…

…to pass along here in the salon. So let's listen to this old recording of a possibly private conversation between Rupert Sheldrake, Ralph Abraham and Terrence McKenna. Yeah I think it's good to have a time we shoot for like quarter to six, you know…

…second program in the matrixcast com series as well. So for sure you can count on the matrixcast com conversation between Ralph Abraham and William Irvin Thompson and the continuation of today's trilogue which will be the next program here in the salon.…

…us here in the psychedelic salon for a while know that I've been podcasting a series of conversations between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake that were held at the esalen institute in the fall of 1989 and 1990 and the cassette…

…of 1989 and 1990 and the cassette recordings of these discussions, which the participants called a trial log, were loaned to me by Ralph Abraham a few months ago and I've been trying to get at least one tape out each week since then. After we listen to…

…from the first podcast in the trilogues series. These conversations were held somewhat regularly from 1989 through 1998 and thanks to Ralph Abraham We've got copies of almost all of them. But here's what I thought might be the most interesting way to…

…we'll be picking up where we last left the hazelwood house trilogue that was held between Rupert Sheldrake, Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham back in 1993 and we'll begin with Ralph's Tale that he calls fractals on my mind now as I've been listening…

…I'll refrain from any comments on the trilogue we just heard other than to say that once again it seemed like it was Ralph Abraham who had to gallop in and save the day from some of Terence's more ungrounded speculations. But what great fun to listen…

…that my thank yous don't get missed if I put them at the end. First of all I think we'd all like to thank Ralph Abraham and Bruce Dahmer for making these tapes of these trilogues available for me to play here in the psychedelic salon. And I also want…

…the part we're about to hear, but what you're hearing with me is exactly as it came off the four cassette tapes that Ralph Abraham loaned to me to play here in the psychedelic salon. But hey being psychedelic doesn't mean that you're strung out on drugs…

…a question that leads to a discussion of stellar pathology among other cosmic topics in a trilogue. With Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham that was held at hazelwood house in England Sometime in 1993. So just the question really is: how limited is this…

…know if you've been listening to this entire series comes from the seventh tape of the trilogues between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake that were held at esalen institute in 1989 and 1990. This tape was simply titled the unconscious…

…held at esalen institute in 1989 and 1990. This tape was simply titled the unconscious and sure enough it begins with Ralph Abraham explaining his bifurcation theory of the unconscious. But by the time they were halfway into the discussion their talk had…

…is Lorenzo and I'm your host here in the psychedelic salon. Today's program is the conclusion of the discussion with Kenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake on the topic of entities. Earlier today I was thinking about what Terrence said in one of the…

…playing roles here in our physical world. One other thing that you might want to think about is when you hear Ralph Abraham talking about human prehistory in the intergalacial period hundreds of thousands of years ago, particularly the point where he talks…

…gaps that Ralph mentions. With that we'll get right into the second side of tape six of the trilogue with Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake that was held at esalen in 1989 or 1990. The set of ten tapes weren't really clear about which…

…again to chetul hayuk for the use of their music here in the psychedelic salon, and a special thank you goes out to Ralph Abraham and Bruce Dahmer for seeing to it that the tapes of these trilogues were preserved and digitized. From the email I've been…

…the beginning of side b of this tape, Terrence McKenna introduces a new topic: time. So now let's join Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake at hazelwood house in England Sometime in 1993 as they conduct their first trilogue held outside of…

…slowly working our way through a series of recordings that were made at esalen in 1989 and 1990, when Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake got together and conducted a series of three way conversations that they called a trialogue and the…

…I've not heard before so I guess this is sort of my way of goofing off by listening to Terrence McKenna. Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake hold their first public trilogue outside of California. The was actually held sometime in 1993 at hazlehurst in…

…was actually held sometime in 1993 at hazlehurst in England and their weekend long trilogue was captured on four cassette tapes that Ralph Abraham loaned to me for the use in these podcasts, and each of these tapes is 90 minutes long but rather than…

…as chatul hayuk, thanks again for letting me use your music here in the salon. Also a big thank you goes out to Ralph Abraham for letting us play his trilog tapes here in the salon and to Bruce Stamer, who not only made the arrangements with Ralph…

…ado, here is a brief soundbite from the end of side a of tape 5 in the series of trilogs with Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake that were held in the month of September in 1989 and again in 1990 at the esalen institute on the…

…now I've been putting out three podcasts a week, two of them being part of the trilogue series with Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake and the other program each week coming from other sources. The program I started to put together for…

…mushroom tape is going to have to wait until I can mount another expedition to Santa Cruz where I can borrow it again from Ralph Abraham and get it into mp3 format for a podcast. So I've decided to mask my disappointment at not being able to hear the…

…fifth tape in a series of ten that were made in the septembers of 1989 and 1990 at esalen, where Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake got together and held a trilogue on the topic of light and vision. And we begin with Rupert Sheldrake…

…the continuation of a trial log that was recorded on June 8th 1998 in Santa Cruz California where Rupert Sheldrake, Ralph Abraham and Terrence McKenna were talking about Rupert's Hypothesis about morphogenic family fields. When we left off last week Terrence…

…out of it but it just didn't seem loaded with golden ore like some of their earlier conversations. As far as the tapes that Ralph Abraham loaned Bruce Dehmer and me to digitise, the talk you just heard was the last one we have a recording of at least…

…really one of their more exchanges interesting I think but I'll let you decide that for yourself. So now here is Ralph Abraham, Sometime back in 1992, setting up the framework for this conversation. It is the impossible become possible and yet remaining…

…I mean I'm right now going to take the easy route and play the second tape from the June 8th trilog with Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake. The tape runs about an hour and 20 minutes but I'm only going to play part of it right now…

…Lorenzo and I'm your host here in the psychedelic salon. So are you ready for some more trilogues between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake? When we left our three merry triloguers in the podcast before last, they just had concluded their…

…program we're going to hear them talk about chaos and the imagination, I should say and the imagination. We begin with Ralph Abraham going into the history of the word and the concepts about chaos and then Terrence McKenna joins in with his thoughts…

…sure is a nice image to use when beginning a psychedelic voyage, don't you think? So now let's listen to Ralph Abraham and Terrence McKenna discuss chaos and imagination, chaos and the imagination. Now someone asked about the relationship between the chaos…

…the psychedelic salon can still hear the words of the irreplaceable Terence McKenna, Along with the wonderful thoughts and comments by Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake and a lot of others here in the psychedelic salon. One other thing I want to point out is…

…again now as promised in the last program I'm going to play the remaining 30 minutes of a trialogue between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake that they held in Santa Cruz, California in June of 1998 and their topic as you'll recall is…

…again your generosity is greatly appreciated. As promised, today I'm going to pick up on the trilogues between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake. That took place sometime in 1992 and if I'm not mistaken they were held at esalen institute…

…the psychedelic salon. Well just as promised today we're going to hear the continuation of the previous podcast in which Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake were discussing creativity and chaos and this is from the first series of trilogues they held along…

…it and so we'll pick up with Rupert concluding his thoughts about chaotic attractors and he'll be immediately followed by Ralph Abraham expressing his Surprise with both Rupert's and Terrence McKenna's take on attractors which he didn't quite buy into. I'm…

…and wells otherwise known as chateau hayouk, for the use of their music here in the psychedelic salon. And thanks again Ralph Abraham, both for participating in the trilogues and then for letting Bruce Dahmer and me digitize your tapes of these sessions…

…the psychedelic salon. Well I just couldn't put this off any longer but I'm afraid I'm in need of another little hit of McKenna, Abraham and sheldrake in one of their trilogues. But I don't want you to get worried now I'm not going to go on another…

…was actually recorded on June 8th 1998 at Santa Cruz California and in the box of cassette recordings of these trilogues that Ralph Abraham loaned to me for this project this trilogue was the most recent one. Actually there were three tapes with that date…

…is so long I'm going to dispense with most of my usual chatter and join you in listening to Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake talk about skepticism and the balkanization of epistemology. Well what I thought it would be interesting to…

…collectively go by the name chatul hayyuk, for letting us hear your music here in the salon. And thanks again to Ralph Abraham not only for participating in these amazing conversations, but who also provided the recordings for me to use in these podcasts.…

…your host here in the psychedelic salon. Today's program is a continuation of the series of trilogues held between Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake at esalen in September of 1989 and again in 1990. So far the trilogers I guess that's…

…com. I'd like to thank chetol hayuk for the use of their music here in the psychedelic salon, and thanks again to Ralph Abraham, both for participating in the trial logs and for letting Bruce Dahmer and me digitize your tapes of these sessions and put…

…I hadn't planned on podcasting until later this year. I know that I told you that the next Tri log between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake would be the one that I believe to be their final Tri log, which was held in June of 1998,…

…play a program that is only labeled Tri log mini. This is from one of the tapes in the box of cassette tapes that Ralph Abraham loaned to me for podcasting and it appears to be a stand alone session that was directed by questions from the audience. I…

…completely locked into thinking that the millennium consciousness changeover date was the year 2000. So let's join Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake for an afternoon trilogue on the campus of esalen sometime in 1992, and we'll see how…

…So today I'm going to pick up where we left off last week with the trilogue between Terrence McKenna, Rupert Sheldrake and Ralph Abraham. While you won't hear Ralph on this particular program, which is side b of tape one in the first series of trilogues…

…was very useful I think. I hope you enjoyed it. If I remember correctly, the next tape in this series brings in Ralph Abraham, who will be expanding on the concept of language that Terence just raised. Although like many of us psychedelic salonners, I…

…the 1989 to 1990 trilog series and it's titled creativity and chaos, and in that program, among other things, you'll hear Ralph Abraham give a short overview of chaos theory, why chaos theory is good for you and his explanation of what mathematics means…

…In addition to thanking chateau hayouk for the use of their music here in the psychedelic salon, I also want to thank Ralph Abraham for making these tapes available, and to Bruce Dahmer, Without whom we wouldn't be hearing them today. And for now, this…

…I'm your host here in the psychedelic space. I've been working my way through the first series of trialogue tapes that Ralph Abraham loaned to me for podcasting. The tapes were labeled 1989 and 1990 and I've been told that these conversations which took…

…The tapes were labeled 1989 and 1990 and I've been told that these conversations which took place between Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake actually took place first in September of 1989 and again the following year. But there wasn't any…

…Daniel? Oh yes Daniel, that it pervades the thing and it pervades it comes very early on because the promise of the to Abraham it starts with Abraham. God promises Abraham that he'll take him and his descendants to another land he'll give them a land.…

…that it pervades the thing and it pervades it comes very early on because the promise of the to Abraham it starts with Abraham. God promises Abraham that he'll take him and his descendants to another land he'll give them a land. There's a promise of a…

…the thing and it pervades it comes very early on because the promise of the to Abraham it starts with Abraham. God promises Abraham that he'll take him and his descendants to another land he'll give them a land. There's a promise of a land where…

…I was going to attempt to be more regular and frequent with these programs. But since coming into all of this new material that Ralph Abraham gave me I feel obligated to get it all online as soon as I can. At the end of this program I'll tell you…

…I know you're probably as anxious as I am to hear today's show. In the last podcast you heard Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake introduce themselves and explain their concept for these trilogues. In today's program I'm going to play the…

…Friday by the first part of the second tape which is titled creativity and chaos, where you'll be joined I'm sure, by Ralph Abraham, who has more than a passing familiarity with the subject of chaos. Before the next two trilogue podcasts, though on Monday…

…future of human consciousness and I think you're going to find it most interesting. Before I go, I want to thank Ralph Abraham, not only for participating in these trilogues but also for preserving them on cassette tape and allowing me to podcast them.…

…you but today we're going to hear the REST of the trilogue that we began listening to last week when Ralph Abraham presented his introduction to today's topic which seemed to morph into a contemplation of visual psychedelic language, something our visionary…

…In just a minute I'm going to play today's talk for us, but first I want to say a little something about Ralph Abraham, because most of our fellow salonners primarily know Ralph as one of Terrence McKenna's Best friends and intellectual peers. But it is…

…here's part of what he had to say. I moved to Santa Cruz in 1981 and took the beginning calculus I class taught by Ralph Abraham at ucsc. It was the third or fourth time I had tried to learn calculus since 1965. Ralph taught the math algorithms or…

…states as well as in Greece, Italy, India and Japan, and you can find out more about these events by going to www Ralph Abraham Org and click on the upcoming events link. Hopefully a few of our fellow saloners will attend one of Ralph's lectures and…

…and send us a report. So now let's pick up with the last minute or so from the end of last week's podcast where Ralph Abraham posed the question on which this trilogue was to proceed. I should warn you that there is a brief break about halfway through…

…titled the apocalypse an interesting title, don't you think? So without any further introduction let's hear what Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake have to say about the apocalypse as seen from their perspective in 1989. Well we've reached…

…and people say to each other: have you been to the edge? It's 35 000 years from here. Have you been back and seen the Abraham Machine take off? Well so I loved this idea and I held it for about 48 hours as a great gimmick and then I realized…

…Daniel? Oh yes Daniel, that it pervades the thing and it pervades it comes very early on because the promise of the to Abraham it starts with Abraham. God promises Abraham that he'll take him and his descendants to another land he'll give them a land.…

…that it pervades the thing and it pervades it comes very early on because the promise of the to Abraham it starts with Abraham. God promises Abraham that he'll take him and his descendants to another land he'll give them a land. There's a promise of a…

…the thing and it pervades it comes very early on because the promise of the to Abraham it starts with Abraham. God promises Abraham that he'll take him and his descendants to another land he'll give them a land. There's a promise of a land where…

…program is the first of what will be a long series of podcasts of the famous trialogues held by Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake. I first heard about these lengthy conversations when I read a little book that provided a few highlights…

…items that us east coasters seldom came across books like Sasha Shulgin's Pekal along with copies of most of Terrence's work. Since Ralph Abraham and Terrence McKenna were going to be conducting a dialogue one night while I was there, on a whim I bought…

…URL at the end of the program. So now we flash forward eight years to a meeting that Bruce Dahmer and I had with Ralph Abraham a week ago and if you can just try to who I'd only previously encountered just long enough to get his autograph. And there…

…podcast channel that I'll be kicking off after the first of the year. Also my sincere thanks and appreciation go out to Ralph Abraham who not only participated in these great conversations but who also preserved them for all of us to hear, and also thank…

…from the REST of the room. Now the date of this recording is august 19th 1985, which is a couple days before the Ralph Abraham recording that we just played not long ago and the title for this recording is shamanism, alchemy and the millennium and it…

…now been over 15 years but after I had a few programs out, Bruce called me and said to meet him in Santa Cruz where Ralph Abraham lived. He told me that Ralph was willing to turn over all of his trialogue tapes for me to play in the salon. And from…

…to come to our avatars conference. That didn't work out. What he did was he came to the house here to ancient oaks farm with Ralph Abraham and Finn, I think on the day of Finn's 20th birthday and I sat him down in front of a big screen right in the…

…as having a varying relationship to the visual rather than the audio sense. We had a discussion a couple of nights ago with Ralph Abraham about when you are asked to conjure the idea of an orange. What is this idea made out of? When you close your…

…three dimensions. But as you add dimensions to any system, the number of these potential catastrophes increases. And Ralph Abraham has described a number of the hyperdimensional catastrophe states. Perhaps they could eventually. It could eventually be recognized…

…terms is a higher dimensional perspective. A perspective from which which the closed doors of this world are open doors. And Ralph Abraham, who some of you may know, has suggested that one way to model the psychedelic experience is to take seriously the…

…group to look into the vonage manuscript, Doctor Strong was one of the people they wanted to interview. And my friend Ralph Abraham, who's a mathematician at Santa Cruz, had photostats of certain folios of the Vonage manuscript. And he sent very detailed…

…keeping scripts that were current in Europe throughout the Middle Ages. And none of them look particularly like vonage script. Ralph Abraham made the suggestion that vonage script had some relation to early brahmanic number systems. He thought perhaps it was…

…usually in a field, however large. And actually, these fields aren't large. The top people know each other. You know, Ralph Abraham astonished me by saying recently that he estimated that there were probably only about 3000 full time research mathematicians…

…shaman actually attains a kind of hyper dimensional perception. And, you know, also teaching here this weekend is my old buddy Ralph Abraham, who's one of the world's leading exponents of chaos dynamics. And he has told me many times that the DMT flash…

…Also, I want to remind you that over that same weekend in which this talk was given, the following evening, Terrance and Ralph Abraham did a two hour talk about the World Wide Web and the millennium. And while I haven't listened to that conversation…

…ice in a blender might crack the case. And mathematician compares DMT experience with LSD experience, which is about our old friend Ralph Abraham, of whom there are almost 50 podcasts here in the salon. And before I go, I'd like to remind you once again…

…say that the mushroom speaks to you, but I don't understand how this can be. What do you mean it speaks to you? And Ralph Abraham was there, too. And I, in my sincere way, said, well, it's like the part Steiger played in the pawnbroker. It just. And…

…can slaughter empty video and you can come up with a. I mean, if they could make a light show out of that. Well, Ralph Abraham, when he was studying dynamical systems, built a device, which he called a macroscope. And what it was was it was two sheets…

…Terence McKenna about a whole range of things, including changing philosophy, his newest book, actually trialogues with Rupert Sheldrake and Ralph Abraham, is called the evolutionary mind. It's a feast of all kinds of stuff on visual, math and factuals and…

…us, please. Good morning. Wow, my mind is spinning. Hi, Terence. I was at the conference at Esalen where you and Mister Abraham and Leonard, pardon me, Rupert Sheldrake, I think, first developed some of these ideas. Is that the book? Is this the book…

…and issues, personal, general, psychedelic and otherwise on, is the dichotomy between the historical mindset and what I've heard my friend Ralph Abraham call Eros. In other words, Eros and history is a kind of dichotomy. These things are like oil and water.…

…not sure. There's one in this story, too. I was in Malibu with all these fancy film people, and we went out to dinner. Ralph Abraham was there, too. And there was this french woman there, a film producer. And she was seated next to me at dinner. And…

…to shake hands with everybody and slap a few backs. And then he just drifts off into the recesses of this restaurant. And Ralph Abraham, who was sitting across the table from me watching this whole, whole thing and had heard what I said to this woman,…

…to me. And so then it was so sort of left like that. But I got good support from my mathematical friends. And Ralph Abraham was wonderful. And he said, you know, he told all kinds of stories from the history of mathematics about people who had made…

…as having a varying relationship to the visual rather than the audial sense. We had a discussion a couple of nights ago with Ralph Abraham about when you are asked to conjure the idea of an orange, what is this idea made out of? When you close your…

…three dimensions. But as you add dimensions to any system, the number of these potential catastrophes increases. And Ralph Abraham has described a number of the hyperdimensional catastrophe states. Perhaps they could eventually. It could eventually be recognized…

…may not be aware of the trialogues that were held between Terence McKenna and the two men that he mentioned in this talk, Ralph Abraham and Ruperthenne Sheldrake. But if you've been with us here in the salon for a while, you'll remember the 40 or so…

…or so podcasts of these trilogues that I did, beginning with my podcast number 58, posted in November of 2006, right after Ralph Abraham gave me his big box of tapes from these events. So if you haven't listened yet to these trialogues, you probably owe…

…on the market. Rupert and I. Rupert Childrake was here a few weeks ago helping launch a new book that we wrote with Ralph Abraham. And we were talking about this, and he said, what we need to do is establish an ideological consumer reports where you…

…at a not terribly fancy restaurant, but a neighborhood restaurant in Malibu with a bunch of people, among them my friend Ralph Abraham, and also among them a woman, a french movie producer. And we had been earlier at someone's house talking about…

…are perceived as opposites, chaos and cosmos. Cosmos means order, chaos means disorder. However, taking a page from my friend Ralph Abraham, I sort of propose that we think of this as a meeting of the Henri Poincare anarchist international brigade and…

…not metaphorically. This is what has to be understood, that you literally are seeing a higher dimension to reality. And Ralph Abraham was here yesterday suggesting that because the world is such a complex system, it has many, many variables. Dimension, which…

…energy and perplexity that had my friends meeting to plan what is to be done. Hope this never happens to you. And finally, Ralph Abraham, God love him, said, it's an occult thing. I mean, it's just this occult thing, only you understand it. And it's not…

…first of all, that this fractal principle be more clearly enunciated and understood. Everybody is talking about fractals, but it took Ralph Abraham to get it down to a bumper sticker for me, and it is. Nature is self similar across scales. Companies…

…name. Or maybe I didnt. The truth is that ive now podcast over 170 talks by Terrence, including the trilogues with Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake. In addition, I've probably previewed another 50 more. So the truth is that I can't actually remember…

…today's talk by Terrence McKenna. I realize that we were in the middle of listening to one of the trialogues between Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake, and Terence, but I wanted to begin the year with something more focused, something that we maybe could use…

…it a premature burst of complexity and brilliance. And Rhian Eisler uses dynamic theory borrowed from modern mathematics, borrowed from Ralph Abraham, who I'm sure many of you know, to make cultural models. And so there's been a lot of excitement about…

…were the primary programmers of the original thing, and Klaus Schraff at Tubingen in Germany, who duplicated the algorithm, and Ralph Abraham. And now we are fully engaged. I'm alarmed. Watkins scents blood. The whole thing is much more interesting than it…

…moving very fast. What we need to do is merely keep our spirits high and learn to sing the song. My friend Ralph Abraham is a proponent of this school of mathematics called chaotic attractors, or dynamics. And this is the notion that many processes are…

…we rely on an intellectual method 2000 years old almost precludes our understanding. Anything interesting. That's why people like Ralph Abraham, with his theory of dynamics, and Ilya Pregojin, with his non equilibrium thermodynamics, and Manfred Eigen, with his…

…really about. Anybody? Anything? Hit me. Yeah. You mean my views on the wind? Where did I learn my views? Well, Ralph Abraham, you should visit his website. It's HTTP hypathiaw csc.edu dot dot. Well, basically it's just a URL, double backslash. Hypatia.org…

…and re listen to them, because they're recordings of a two hour conversation that I was fortunate to attend where Terrence and Ralph Abraham discussed the web and I open forum at the Omega Institute in upstate New York during the summer of 1998. Well,…

…of reality that are not artificial, but that are fields of data, not ordinarily coordinated by ordinary perception. You know, Ralph Abraham, who's a favorite around here, has talked about how mathematics, which has been a high priesthood of arcane formulae…

…say that the mushroom speaks to you, but I don't understand how this can be. What do you mean it speaks to you? And Ralph Abraham was there, too. And I, in my sincere way, said, well, it's like the part Steiger played in the pawnbroker. It just. And…

…in the redwood forests of the Santa Cruz Mountains next to Silicon Valley, Terrence, his son Finn, and longtime trialogger Ralph Abraham arrived for a personal introduction to the virtual worlds medium. I sat them down with Terrence centered in front of…

…of working with Lorenzo Haggerty, of digitizing as much of Terrance's voice and thoughts as from cassette tapes. Thanks to Ralph Abraham, we were loaned the complete set of trialogs tapes which were digitized by myself and Lorenzo. In one furious weekend,…

…the development of all this technology, chaos theory, non equilibrium, thermodynamics, the work of Eric Janelia Pregozhin and Ralph Abraham and Stuart Kaufman, all these people who work complexity theory and perturbation of large scale dissipative structures,…

…staying home forever. Well, if I may, could I ask my longer question? Oh, yeah, sorry. Last night, when your encounter with Ralph Abraham, which I enjoyed tremendously, and I really thank you for that, you described the World Wide web as being. Hello. You…

…first time. Also, in the talk you just heard, there was mention of a dialogue that evening before between Terrence and Ralph Abraham. In case you missed it, I did podcast that evening's discussion in two programs. Our number 19 in the psychedelic Salon…

…of them, and it was very clear that it was a specific each and every one of them is vitally important right now. As Ralph Abraham pointed out, you know, in normal times, we should all go out and have fun and make piles of money, but these are not…

…in the United States. It was during some conversations with Terrence during that weekend, along with the dialogue between him and Ralph Abraham, that Saturday night that inspired my last book, the Spirit of the Internet, which, by the way, you can read…

…eight months, it will be 50% visual. And within a year, that's what it will be. People are building their realities right now. Ralph Abraham came down and told me that he bought a storefront on the net and there he sells his books on dynamics and chaos…

…consisted of four sections because there was one on Friday night, two on Saturday, and one on Sunday. And also Terrence and Ralph Abraham held a dialogue about the World Wide Web and the millennium. Friday or no, it was on Saturday night. Sorry about…

…the shaman actually attains a kind of hyper dimensional perception. And, you know, also teach. Here this weekend is my old buddy Ralph Abraham, who's one of the world's leading exponents of chaos dynamics. And he has told me many times that the DMT flash…

…of course, was really at the top of his form. I think then, in fact, I've already played the rap that he and Ralph Abraham did, that Saturday night one about the World Wide Web and the millennium. Those were our podcast, 19 and 20, in case you…

…host here in the psychedelic salon. Well, as promised, today's program is a continuation of a conversation between Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham that took place on August 1 in 1998. And in the previous podcast, Terrence and Ralph each gave their views…

…salon. I think we've got a real treat for you today. What you're about to hear is a conversation between Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham that took place on a hot August night in 1998. It was actually, it was the 1 August, to be exact, and it…

…the brilliance of the two men here in their conversation. So let's go back in time now and hear what Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham thought about the World Wide Web and the millennium way back in the olden days, the days before Google. And now the…

…the olden days, the days before Google. And now the Omega Institute is proud to introduce Terrence McKenna in the red tights. And Ralph Abraham in the faded denims. And the rules of the game are simple indeed. One of us will talk for a bit, then the…

…the changes we've seen since then. For me, I guess the most important thing that was said that night, Washington, when Ralph Abraham pointed out that the question of whether we're on a plateau or whether we're about to make a gigantic evolutionary leap…

…of these psychedelic states is that they are actually higher dimensional states of consciousness and I put this to Ralph Abraham the mathematician who is no mathematical slouch and no psychedelic slouch either and we talked of this in relationship…