…your mind literally into hyperspace or they put your perceiving apparatus into hyperspace, real hyperspace not metaphorical but mathematical hyperspace. Ralph says this he's a four five six dimensional geometer who smokes DMT and he says: same o same o. You…

…gave me a little while back. This one is from august of 1985 and it features Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. I asked Ralph if this was their first esalen conversation and he said: well it may have been, although it wasn't the first time that they…

…I don't know. Now before I listened to this recording, well I was feeling kind of bad about the fact that I had to tell Ralph that I didn't feel I was any longer up to the task of interviewing him about his latest book, which is amazing by the way.…

…to the task of interviewing him about his latest book, which is amazing by the way. But in this recording, as he was interviewing Ralph, Terrence said, and I quote: I don't fully understand Ralph, no one does and then he went on to say that he would…

…which is amazing by the way. But in this recording, as he was interviewing Ralph, Terrence said, and I quote: I don't fully understand Ralph, no one does and then he went on to say that he would try to interview him. Now I don't feel quite so badly…

…badly about losing my edge for doing interviews. Even in my prime I still needed somebody to help me interview somebody like Ralph and the irony here is that he is so charming and unassuming that he doesn't even realize how blindingly intelligent he is.…

…recording I'm about to play for us, I think it's a great example of the freewheeling camaraderie that existed between Terrence and Ralph, and it also shows how laid back and relaxed the workshops were at esalen, and still are I assume. Around 18 minutes…

…back and relaxed the workshops were at esalen, and still are I assume. Around 18 minutes into this talk, Terrence asked Ralph about the possibility of modeling psychological states or social states, and that is where they really grabbed my attention. You…

…hoping you're going to tell us I was making something up here let me see what was it I have no idea. Anyway, what Ralph was saying to me before we came down here was that the fractals are interesting, but beyond the fractals lie attractors, basins of…

…that is the foundation experience of being. So we're going to try and talk about this a little bit. I don't fully understand Ralph no one fully understands Ralph so don't feel lost but I will try to interview him and we'll carry it along a while.…

…experience of being. So we're going to try and talk about this a little bit. I don't fully understand Ralph no one fully understands Ralph so don't feel lost but I will try to interview him and we'll carry it along a while. Now that's a very bad…

…that you more or less have to listen with the idea that this is easy and then it's easy and it is easy. Ralph has written two books or now three books, that are the greatest breakthrough in visual and the teaching of mathematics in probably centuries,…

…an experimental dynamics laboratory on your home computer and draws beautiful figures. And so if anyone can make it simple, you can Ralph why don't you review from the point of view of people who are interested in what this means about modeling neurology,…

…what you had before, which still have this infinite regress of re entrant form and so on. Although isn't it true, Ralph? That the point that the scientific American Article was making, that was choosing different points of entry into the Mandelbrot set…

…the model with the target system, with the observational universe. We don't do that. So would it be fair to say, Ralph that the first modeling system that had real power was this newtonian modeling system and that probability theory is something else,…

…all very harmonious and to make a long story short what you are seeing in any of these journeys is actually it. So Ralph, is the way to see different parts of it or to reconfigure the receiver is to evolve languages and descriptions, languages and tools…

…don't we take a break and everybody can get water and reposition and we'll get the projector threaded in. Well thank you very much Ralph that was amazing. What explain, if you can, what r is. Oh r, r is just how much you're cooking it. You mean how…

…that's where this tape cuts off. It's also maybe a way for me to better explain why I'm intimidated about interviewing Ralph. You see in the discussion immediately preceding the cutoff there were dozens of openings for questions about the complex topics he…

…arrival of the internet and significantly faster and more powerful personal computers than were available back then. So let's join Ralph now. Our talks frequently range over different periods of history. We love to extract peculiar details from the historical…

…can actually help the creative process as a kind of ongoing usage during this kind of creative process? What do you think, Ralph? Well I think in the creation of a new program, let us say, the first spreadsheet, the first text editor or something,…

…have it. I think we need to go a little further. Go for it. Well one thing that I still haven't heard from Ralph is, since I don't have a mathematical landscape, having never been told about such things when I was studying mathematics having found the…

…plenary volume of this global analysis conference which was really the climax of 1960s mathematics. Let me ask you a question, Ralph: do you think that the psychedelics propel you into the realm of mathematical truth in the ordinary sense that that's…

…I'm not a mathematician, I'm afraid that that's one grassroots science project that I won't be participating in. But something Ralph said about high definition television got me thinking about a grassroots science project that I could do. I was intrigued…

…Bruce Dahmer and I were up for several days in a row doing the digitizing of a whole box of cassette tapes that Ralph had loaned us, and somehow during the night I mistakenly recorded tape three in the first series twice and overlooked tape four. What…

…sense of disappointment with you when that tape went missing. Well here we are not even four years later and guess what? Bruce and Ralph hunted that tape down and digitized it for us so we can play it today. I guess it was probably about 20 years ago…

…to listen again with you right now Terrence thought of the world's soul as some sort of gaian entity, while Rupert and Ralph were conceptualizing about a cosmic level entity. Actually that was one of my favorite parts because it let me know that even…

…they have to be the same thing. You know you can push the fractal model to the point of reductio AD Absurdum. Ralph and I were talking about this this morning. Everyone's fond of saying that coastlines and forest distributions and all this stuff are…

…some sense gain a control or prediction over these powers of darkness and the dark unknowable powers or unknown powers. And then Ralph said we can model some of these chaotic processes and because there might be a large, a small medium or large residuum…

…substances. Well given all these facts and given the strong case you make for its benevolent effects, what I'm interested in is why Ralph, who was also present on the scene in the 1960s, who's no enemy of the effect of psychedelics, has spent so many…

…and the resurrection of the hemp industry worldwide how can we bring this to a conclusion? Well I think you just did Ralph there. There you have it part part of the pursuit of pursuit of human freedom, part of citizenship and responsible adulthood and…

…you can imagine, and yet we're afraid to discuss it in public. In fact I was a little surprised just now when I heard Ralph say that ten years earlier he felt more free to reveal his personal psychedelic history to his students than he did at the time…

…logical everything that Terrence says seems to sound as he's saying it. And then listen closely to the critiques of his premise by Ralph and Rupert and I think you'll see how important it was for Terrence to have Ralph and Rupert around to keep him on…

…listen closely to the critiques of his premise by Ralph and Rupert and I think you'll see how important it was for Terrence to have Ralph and Rupert around to keep him on his toes. And likewise it seems to me that you and I may also need our critics…

…to touch on this subject of the evolution of consciousness as it relates to machines. Now it may not come as a revelation to Ralph who has spent his life in mathematics, but it has certainly come to me recently as a revelation, and I want to give…

…I think it's a very limited part of what a mind does and I think, therefore that the premises on which this whole Ralph called it a fantasy a paranoid fantasy the premises on which this is based thanks for that. That helped. I think the premises…

…onto a more solid footing. I also would like to mention that just two months after the talk we just heard Terrence and Ralph gave a two hour presentation at omega institute that they titled the world wide web and the millennium and you can hear that…

…Now getting on to today's program as promised we'll pick up right where the last podcast ended with Rupert and Ralph discussing the challenges facing big science versus today's grassroots science. And once again I've left this recording intact, complete with…

…their professionalism and the educational system has been contaminated by concepts like of class struggle, class difference, this sort of thing. Ralph What's your take on that? Well I like these visions, revisions as far as they go. I think the initiation…

…is really a vitally important issue, at least in my humble opinion. And another thing they got me thinking about was when Ralph was talking about the workshop model for an education system, the one that Rupert and Terrence had proposed, and his primary…

…workshops would be given and so on. Basically his question seemed to be who would administer this new system? And I wonder how Ralph would frame this question now that the internet has evolved to its current point which of course is still only a small…

…of a relationship. It seems to me that this is just very begging the question in the traditional and cheap fashion. Oh good Ralph, I mean I'm all in favor of celestial intelligence and in fact I could even entertain a conversation with a pleiadian and I…

…We couldn't even talk this without chaos theory. No chaos theory stands behind this. It was very powerful. Well I don't know Ralph people have been talking about this for a long time before chaos theory came along but in such a muddled fashion compared…

…we could do but something that we could foresee that might happen that would create a successful society here. Very interesting, Ralph very interesting why don't you just say a tiny bit more about what constitutes evil music? Well since orpheus, Pythagoras…

…authenticate, feed and give life to a burgeoning of that aspect of the thing now when that's what's needed. Yes well it seems, Ralph You're sort of advocating this, I'm asking: is it possible? I'm not sure. Well what I was going to say was, you know,…

…get my thank yous in before you get lost in the thicket of thoughts that our merry triloggers create. And in addition to Ralph Rupert Terrence Bruce and chateau o hayouk, whose music you hear in the background right now, I also want to thank three…

…our physical world coming from Rupert and over the edge metaphysical ideas coming from Terrence. But throughout them all it's been Ralph who quite often provides the steadiness or ballast or rudder or whatever you want to call it that gets their cargo…

…about it really pays big dividends to have a well grounded friend covering your back, and that's one of the roles I see Ralph playing here and that is sort of the wise elder guiding a couple of precocious young friends. So it was kind of interesting…

…beach of sand. Terence said the land reaches down into the water and Rupert said no the water reaches up into the land. Ralph said it's both water and sand. It's the sandy beach. It's a fractal object. They stood then they walked in the stream. Look,…

…in the stream. Look, said Terence. It circles to the left. No said Rupert, it circles to the right. It's turbulent flow, said Ralph It's a mathematical object, it's chaos. On the other side of the stream there was no beach, there was a concrete wall. It…

…earth knew or something like that there was an extinction underway when that cometary impact hit. And so what I'm suggesting Ralph is that biology knows this is back to this morning's discussion, homing pigeons biology has a complete three to four…

…was able to foist on. And it's totally fulfilled and yet again the heavens don't fall nor the oceans boil. But I'm telling you Ralph, There's something out there and I'll know when I see it I expect you at my elbow. Well, I'm sort of a bad person…

…current state of our understanding about prehistoric cave art and I think this new book may fill in some of the gaps that Ralph mentions. With that we'll get right into the second side of tape six of the trilogue with Terrence McKenna, Ralph Abraham and…

…alienating abstractions. This goes back to newton. Newton said time is pure duration. He visualized time as an object. Notice Ralph Aristotle's effort to describe nature with perfect mathematical solids has been abandoned long ago because nowhere do we meet…

…and the pigeon is attracted within this field back towards the home which functions as the attractor. This is where me and Ralph have this different view of attractors. In dynamics things are drawn towards attractors and if the loft is an attractor within…

…to be seen as a large scale manifestation of the same principle. I mean I myself think that's quite a likely possibility but Ralph knows nick fashion has talked about these things more. So what do you think about that now, Bell's Theorem well what I…

…further societies. We've come to the end of our road in newtonian space, and that's what I wanted to say. I mean wouldn't you agree, Ralph that when we look back over the whole history of life as known to us what it appears to be is some kind of…

…at matrixmasters com. Shatol hayuk, thanks again for letting me use your music here in the salon and thanks again to Ralph Rupert and Terrence for holding these fascinating conversations and to Bruce Dahmer for obtaining the recordings for us to listen to…

…this schizophrenia and put you in a small room and leave you there. But a fair reading, as you mentioned last night Ralph of the history of modern science as presented by somebody like Thomas Kuhn, shows that the irrational in this objectified form is…

…out a different treaty than if all you understand is blowguns and canoe manufacture. Well that's where mathematical modelling comes in as Ralph must be thinking. Well I confess that I do have in mind a mathematical model for the world so spirit and…

…dream to a dear friend of mine one time. Okay that's enough romanticizing for now let's get on with the program and begin with Ralph Telling Terrence how much he thinks of him, but doing so with a lot of humor and back and forth teasing among the…

…of scientific theory far beyond my own because I couldn't make the judgment at that stage. And then Rupert I believe it was through Ralph contacted me and came by bus to see me I live in the wine country north of San Francisco and I didn't know what…

…the European Academic was of a corpulent, elderly, animated person and I projected that and expected that. And when Rupert arrived and Ralph vectored in for that first meeting as well isn't that interesting, that's right. And there he was, and I thought I…

…did it he said: I stood on the shoulders of giants. That's how it was done. And to whatever degree the mathematics of Ralph and the theoretical constructs of Rupert have supported my own work, and not only my work but the building and maintaining of a…

…So I enjoy playing Byron to Rupert's Chalet and hope to do so this weekend. Happy valentine's day. Now I'm going to introduce Ralph. I met Ralph and Terence as Terence has described when I got off the bus at Sonoma was it Sonoma, Santa Rosa? Having…

…the month of September in 1989 and again in 1990 at the esalen institute on the California Coast. And we begin with Ralph Abraham's Speculation about the human brain. So the brain as described by currently the better mathematical model, which is it will…

…field and not the electromagnetic field maybe he would say that was the intermediary between the physical and mental planes. But Ralph if you feel that the electromagnetic field is inadequate to what Rupert's asking of it then you must be equally sceptical…

…were, by this other messenger. Well it's interesting, this business of light. I probably tried this out on you in the past, Ralph but one of my cosmological fantasies of years past was, you know there's this curious problem with the fact that the photon…

…some of my own ingrown bias against the concept of divine omnipotence that Rupert was trying to sell to Terence and Ralph kind of unsuccessfully I thought you know it's interesting that this topic came up in today's trialog because I recently received…

…which is supposed by symmetry considerations to be, at least originally, equal and opposite to matter. Yes I see what you're saying, Ralph how do you take to this? This discussion is very hypothetical. In fact as hypotheses go this is the big bag full.…

…connection but I think quantum field theory does have a notion of fields underlying this but they're not in normal space and time. Ralph would know that it's a completely different use of the word field and it is private in that particles have a field I…

…keep up with it. We started off with chaos not being with any negative connotation but just the yawning void in fact, as Ralph explained, something like the sky. Then it's the great womb, perhaps or the source of all things or whatever. It then gets…

…at other times they emphasize the other. And I think in most discussions of creativity one gets into this unstable oscillation. Ralph has it too, of course, because chaos on the one hand is this chaotic indeterminate process that in some sense liberates…

…and the imagination, it is going to take place at the joint where the handle attaches to the basket. Yes I wanted to say, Ralph that reminded me that it was good that you mentioned Eleusis and I agree with Ralph that this was a great turning point and…

…basket. Yes I wanted to say, Ralph that reminded me that it was good that you mentioned Eleusis and I agree with Ralph that this was a great turning point and a cultural episode not frequently enough discussed that this thousands and thousands of years…

…of chaos and social transformation. And this book if you want to just eyeball it they do have it here in the bookstore. Ralph, I'm just curious if you or Bertrand are familiar with the ideas of Hans Burewig. He's an AI and robotics specialist and has…

…and for those of you who aren't really big fans of Terrence's thinking, well there's an added little treat for you in that Ralph and Rupert really beat up on him in this one as they point out a few inconsistencies in his thinking. It's really one…

…into a right relationship to the earth and the heavens. Well that is indeed the vision that lies behind my book, which Ralph Rightly points out, and of course some of Terence's mixed in his thinking. Half of Terence's thinking is utopian, the other half…

…cultivation of mushrooms, the smoking of DMT and other psychedelic revival processes. Thus would dawn the psychedelic utopia. Well, and Ralph of course has another version of this the mathematical utopia, where the great regulative eternal, if not eternal at…

…by you we have ten minutes. Ok very quickly the true millenarian vision and the apocalyptic tradition is more like what Ralph says it's not a total everything suddenly disappears in a blinding light. It's a period of transformation followed by a millennium,…

…the term mascotonic or something like that. Yours is much more absolute. Yes right now I'm more inclined to traditional millenarianism. Like Ralph is a transitional period followed by some kind of kingdom of heaven on earth, and what I think the kingdom of…

…outside it with him. So say that it was your family field. You choose someone to represent you oh I see so there would be Ralph in there and so you are sitting. Back telling me: you now see Ralph in relation to the astronauts and then you see how we…

…to represent you oh I see so there would be Ralph in there and so you are sitting. Back telling me: you now see Ralph in relation to the astronauts and then you see how we adjust the field and put in the absent or unacknowledged members and then…

…actually standing there to acknowledge the unacknowledged ones or whatever. And then he asks you to go and stand in the position of Ralph in this remodelled field and turn to the unacknowledged one and say you are my aunt I acknowledge you and turn to…

…notion here is in everyday life in the dimension in which we find ourselves. I would like to sort of expand on what Ralph has been saying with my own perspective on it. Chaos is feminine chaos is intuitional chaos is has a very flirtatious relationship…

…others here in the psychedelic salon. One other thing I want to point out is that while there is only a brief mention of Ralph Abraham's book chaos, Gaia and eros, if you haven't had the chance to read it yet I highly recommend it. And if you're…

…And if you're still hanging on wondering how the three of them answered that question, well so am I. What happened after you heard Ralph pose that question is that none of them said a single word for 11 seconds, and then they sort of let out a…

…angelic beings associated with the stars. In the 16th century there was a revival of ancient star magic this is something I know Ralph has studied and I hope we can take up John Dee and others connected with particular stars and invoked the spirit of…

…taken very seriously, if considered at all, by the astronomical community but one which I propose we might consider here this evening. Ralph what was John Dee Trying to do? Perhaps that's a historical fact maybe you could fill us in on it. Yes, well…

…and animate makes that more probable then I'm all for it. I think Rupert you and I and perhaps to some degree Ralph, come out of the influence of the school called organismic philosophy that Alfred North Whitehead and Joseph Needham and l l white…

…us could be an important clue. But this research project has yet not even begun. I mean the only pioneer so far has been Ralph and his hot tub. Do you think we should now open this up? Yes, I'm not sure that I understood what Ralph said. Neither…

…far has been Ralph and his hot tub. Do you think we should now open this up? Yes, I'm not sure that I understood what Ralph said. Neither of you seem to have picked up on it. Did you say you did communicate with something on the stars that you…

…eliminate because the backwash from that assumption will make the practice of science much more difficult. Nevertheless, you know Ralph and his colleagues have been modeling for many years now: plant growth, dripping faucets, coupled oscillators like groups of…

…and stabilizes. Well I think that this storage in low temperatures is interesting because I think one of the things when Ralph said that mathematics is like language as a modeling system. I think there's a very big difference between spoken language and…

…with these systems and I don't know if it will save the world or anything but I can tell you it's a lot of fun. Ralph, in line with the question about sociology, I haven't asked you this question for a couple of years. I ask it every couple of…

…like that and it must be something to do with the feminine aspect of creativity. You see one of the things that Ralph and I were thinking about earlier today we were having a conversation after lunch that we find both masculine and feminine creative…

…feminine creative principles come in trinities quite frequently the triple goddess, but then in the Christian world the male trinity. And Ralph was saying: well maybe there would be, since there seems to be this possibility of looking at it either way there…

…Rupert of the morphogenetic field, mine of novelty theory. And there must be some aspect of all this that would threaten you, Ralph if extremely empiricist and positivist criteria were brought to bear. In other words we've all been called soft in our time…

…are carrying different social balances in different parts of the world. You live in Hawaii and visit places like maui quite frequently. Ralph lives right here in Santa Cruz, California, where you only have to mention the name to anyone in England who knows…

…been brought here from over there where we know where the granite is. It's a wonderful story. You mentioned 30 or 40 years, Ralph. I think one way of thinking about this problem is some school of fluff should be given a certain amount of time to…

…and imagination. Now we move on to the first side of tape two which is titled creativity and chaos and we begin with Ralph Abraham's short introduction to chaos theory and then we'll get into a discussion between Ralph and Rupert of why what is is or…

…creativity and chaos and we begin with Ralph Abraham's short introduction to chaos theory and then we'll get into a discussion between Ralph and Rupert of why what is is or something like that. Let's join Ralph and Rupert now. Now it's a little…

…theory and then we'll get into a discussion between Ralph and Rupert of why what is is or something like that. Let's join Ralph and Rupert now. Now it's a little presumptuous to call this chaos theory because as a matter of fact there is no theory.…

…of the interaction between chaos and some kind of formative unifying some kind of unifying aspect of the cosmic mind which Ralph has hijacked for the Pythagorean Sect by calling the realm of mathematics. There's an interaction here between these two levels…

…but never actually hearing the symphony. These symbols refer to things which for real mathematicians are intuitions, visual intuitions, and so Ralph helps make that clear. But what interests me is in these attractors. No one else in any other branch of…

…the recorder was old and the tape was slipping that's just my guess. So I cut that part out too but basically it was Ralph Telling the audience that the three of them would do a Tri log based on questions from the audience that he hoped would be…

…had to do with the knot of eternity. And if you're wondering what the knot of eternity is well you're not alone, because Ralph then added a proviso: that it might be helpful if the questions were also something that could be used to launch a Tri…

…the genesis of that question. So let's join. I think the question is about the t shirt I'm wearing which I'm not sure Ralph realized that's what the question was about: what t shirt, this t shirt? Well I'm not a Buddhist but I'm interested in the…

…something we talked about a lot yesterday so I'll let Rupert I'm afraid I've forgotten this discussion what do you mean by that Ralph we didn't talk about the emergence of new species. I think I'm going to interpret the question freely if I may we…

…crop circles then my family has a bridge over the Hudson river that we will sell you cheese. First of all I should add one detail Ralph left out about this epiphany in the crop circle we went to my wife took us, Ralph and I went to see it. We got…

…trilogues in this series, there's a short gap in the recording while a full tape was being replaced with a new one. This time it's Ralph who has one of his thoughts truncated a bit, but I think you'll be able to piece it together as not much seems to…

…two systems are nakedly exposed in their opposition to each other. It seems to me and it sort of comes out of what Ralph talked about this morning, that in trying to get a general overview of what these bifurcations are that loom in the future, they…

…where I think Terrence got some of his ideas about cyberdelic space. And before I forget, I want to remind you that when Ralph and Terrence were talking about the fact that our leaders are jackasses, well the George bush they were talking about back then…

…up where we left off last week with the trilogue between Terrence McKenna, Rupert Sheldrake and Ralph Abraham. While you won't hear Ralph on this particular program, which is side b of tape one in the first series of trilogues that were held at esalen…

…one in the first series of trilogues that were held at esalen in September of 1989, you will be pleased to know that Ralph will be joining in the conversation in the next program when chaos theories enters the discussion. As I mentioned in the trilogue…

…trilogues in search of a new little sound bite or two from the Great Bard McKenna. But I'm really beginning to appreciate why Ralph and Terence think so highly of Rupert what an interesting way he has of looking at things. For example, I've long thought…

…interview some of the original merry pranksters who are still around, but I also hope to re borrow that tape number four from Ralph and get it digitized and into podcast form for us. But for now we'll just have to imagine what exotic thoughts it may…

…can be stopped, or at least certainly not in a short. You're now considering this possibility that I mentioned at the beginning Ralph which is that there is this intuition is of something profound, that it isn't simply a lethal neurosis it's the actual…

…a collective moment at which humanity gives up the ghost or least large sections of it. The nuclear scenario incidentally Ralph according to its script since the second world war is essentially meant as the autodestructive christendom because all nuclear…

…Bard McKenna would think about the moron in charge today. And actually you know it's kind of sad in a way to hear Terrence Ralph and Rupert talk so positively about their hopes for change in this new millennium. I guess that way back in 1989 when this…

…system in which more advanced forms of order actually influence previous states of organization? This is what is emerging in Ralph Abraham's work with the chaotic attractors. They are attractors that means that they exert influence on less organized states…

…for us, but first I want to say a little something about Ralph Abraham, because most of our fellow salonners primarily know Ralph as one of Terrence McKenna's Best friends and intellectual peers. But it is the mathematician side of Ralph that I want to…

…salonners primarily know Ralph as one of Terrence McKenna's Best friends and intellectual peers. But it is the mathematician side of Ralph that I want to mention right now. Before I went to law School I did my undergraduate work in electrical engineering…

…have been wasted, because I don't remember a thing about them anymore. And maybe that wouldn't have been the case if I'd had Ralph as my teacher, because from what I've heard Ralph not only is a world class mathematician he also excels in his ability to…

…about them anymore. And maybe that wouldn't have been the case if I'd had Ralph as my teacher, because from what I've heard Ralph not only is a world class mathematician he also excels in his ability to teach math, and my good friend Michael Shields and…

…mathematician he also excels in his ability to teach math, and my good friend Michael Shields and I were exchanging a few emails about Ralph the other day and here's part of what he had to say. I moved to Santa Cruz in 1981 and took the beginning…

…was the great ideas that I found in the trialogues book. By the way if you would like to hear the dialogue between Terrence and Ralph that night all you have to do is go to my website and download podcasts number 19 and 20. I'll give you the address…

…to the series appropriately titled cast of characters. This is an experiment. It's also sort of living theater because Rupert and Ralph and I have by natural inclination been discussing the kind of things we're going to discuss this weekend privately and…

…a hellraiser from the 60s a man who brought mathematics to a new fever pitch in the field of dynamics and systems modeling, Ralph has been sort of the rock of gibraltar of the psychedelic end of eggheadism, at least for many people that I've lived…

…and in this large 1956 Buick we headed off into the woods in Sonoma County where Terence lives and there I met both Terence and Ralph who was there for the day. We had a most interesting time. I found that part of my interest in these other realms of…

…in nature, a theory about the quality of time and the creative process as it is related to the ongoing flux of events. And Ralph had a kind of mathematical theory which was just the kind of thing that the view of nature I was trying to develop needed:…

…we gather at three o clock and hope that Dennis and sheila and Eduardo are here and that it will be different? Oh and Ralph too, the mets is scheduled. The body is the placenta of the soul and the real potential of our species isn't being tapped at…

…I had a few programs out, Bruce called me and said to meet him in Santa Cruz where Ralph Abraham lived. He told me that Ralph was willing to turn over all of his trialogue tapes for me to play in the salon. And from that beginning, well the salon…

…And I just had no time for it, you know. I mean, I'm really fairly critical of. That's why I was teasing Ralph about including yoga, because I think that hindu society is horribly stratified and xenophobic and conservative. And I mean, the Mahabharata…

…Here is a photostat of folio nine b. Please circle the word you translated and this kind of thing. And Doctor Strong's secretary wrote Ralph back and said that he was very old, he was in his nineties, and he didn't feel he could compose a letter to…

…very old, he was in his nineties, and he didn't feel he could compose a letter to address all these questions, but that if Ralph would come to San Diego, he would satisfy him completely. So that was a Thursday Ralph made got a reservation to fly down…

…all these questions, but that if Ralph would come to San Diego, he would satisfy him completely. So that was a Thursday Ralph made got a reservation to fly down on the following Monday and Sunday night. The secretary called and said that doctor Strong…

…text is finally broken, it will be trivial, the way in which it was encrypted, trivial, but unexpected in some way. For instance, Ralph made the suggestion to me that grids, where you have a grid which has holes in it when laid over a page, shows…

…more famous there than here. Coming from Harvard, as I used to, it was a source of great amusement to realize that Ralph Waldo Emerson, who really started the american transcendental movement, who got kicked out of Harvard, I think it was 1838, because he…

…The reward of alchemistic effort has been simply stated as the effort to achieve the transmutation of base metals into gold. But as Ralph pointed out just a bit ago, this is not the actual reward. The value was the doing and the redoing, and the redoing…

…one of the podcasts, but one night when I was staying at Bruce Dahmer's house, back when we were digitizing all of Ralph Abraham's recordings of the trialogues, we got to talking about the last night that Bruce and Terrence spent together at Terrence's…

…at that moment, Steiger stops by the table to shake hands with everybody there. And I'm like, and true story. True story. And Ralph, who's watched this whole thing go down, leans across the room, leans across the table to me and says, what this proves…

…book? Is this the book that's come out of that? Well, there were two of those books of dialogues, or trialogues with Rupert and Ralph. The first one was called trialogues at the edge of the west. And the new one is called the evolutionary mind. And we…

…you stay just behind the lead bird, you don't have to do much. You know, you're just kind of riding along on the well. And Ralph tells me to be third is the real good position. It's like being the young prince you won't ever be. It was actually, it…

…to the podcast that he was complaining about, he would have learned that Grover Norquist coming from the far right and Ralph Nader coming from the far left, found some common ground. And together they've made some real progress in reforming the out…

…then their commitment to a peculiar belief makes the belief suspect. But we tried to do a trial log about this with Rupert and Ralph in Santa Cruz a few weeks ago, and they both just climbed all over me and said it was a terrible method and that…

…live in strange times. But before I forget to tell you, if you want to listen to that trialogue that Terrence mentioned, where Rupert and Ralph gave him a hard time, you can hear it in my podcast, number 228 that I posted way back on May 15 in 2010.…

…classic Maya. So what is becoming apparent more and more, and through the work of people like, on one level, Ralph Abraham's archaeomathematical archaeology and Sheldrake's morphogenetic field, is that there is a reality which we're not seeing, which is we…

…mind. And yet it still has the character of a language. It's like the Hebrew Alphabet, that mystical idea of an Alphabet. No, Ralph and I have talked about stuff like this, about you probably know or have heard of this guy, Stan Tanner. Yes, yes. Yeah.…

…he has this shape, and as you illuminate it from different angles, you get different hebrew letters cast as shadows. So Ralph said this implied then that there was this hyper object which cast all these shadows. And he said, given sufficient computing…

…thereafter that I was horrified that he had heard me make this reference to him. Well, so I was just, you know, and Ralph, who was sitting across the table and saw this whole thing go on, leaned across the table and said, you see, the mushroom…

…was the. And I could never really find my way back, you know, which is a typical phenomenon of higher dimensional phase space. Ralph taught me, you know, doing the reverse of what you did doesn't steer you back to where you started. You have to find…

…Alphabet as a object in hyperspace. Slice it this way, aleph this way, bet this way, you know, and so on. I told Ralph about this Abraham, and he said, whoa, no problem. We could write a computer program that could take the letters of any language…

…ordinary mathematical object that is a known quantity. Well, essentially, this was like telling your dog to split the atom. It was like, great, Ralph, thanks. Do you think you'll have any time in the next few months to put in on this? And so I sat with…

…the website. In other words, I will write a defense. Watkins will restate the objection and the formulas that back it up. Ralph will weigh in. Broadwell will weigh in. Who was the primary programmer? Peter Meyer will weigh in, who was the C implementer?…

…method, the nature of falsification, etcetera, etcetera, and decide where we are with this. So far, I'm the most alarmed person. Ralph said, you know, it's just Watkins objection. And then told a story about Rene Tom, who created a whole system of…

…previously could barely even be conceived, but that now at a rate of millions, approaching billions of iterations per second. Ralph works on the MMPP machine, the multiple parallel processing machine at Goddard Space Flight center. It does 800 megaflops per…

…end of the road here. I feel a little guilty that there wasn't more hard botany, but I feel Yddeh confident that David and Ralph and the other people participating in this course will get this to you. There is a great deal to be learned. There is a…

…the plant culture. In big plant culture and consistent fact. The other day the definition of hallucination came up and Ralph mentioned the class. He was saying for him there's a distinction between a hallucination, something, isn't there, and the experience…

…at that moment, Steiger stops by the table to shake hands with everybody there. And I'm like, and true story. True story. And Ralph, who's watched this whole thing go down, leans across the room, leans across the table to me and says, what this proves…

…the house in Hawaii, where we would reconvene for some serious experimentation. Terrence's Mac couldn't run virtual worlds. I hope Ralph found the experience interesting as well, because I knew that he was into 3d representations at his Vizmath institute down…

…of 2010, we held the first annual Terence day on the 10th anniversary of his passing, in the very room where, in 1998, Finn, Ralph, and Terence came to journey into my worlds. I do miss him and wished I'd had the chance to have another decade of…

…moos is mind boggling to me. And so it's just a matter of, you know, how do you tell? And I have this argument with Ralph all the time and Rupert because they're both softer than I am, and I'm getting more hard boiled in my old age because I see…

…the streets. And I could never really find my way back, you know, which is a typical phenomenon of higher dimensional phase space. Ralph taught me, you know, doing the reverse of what you did doesn't steer you back to where you started. You have to find…

…of the hebrew Alphabet as an object in hyperspace. Slice it this way, aleph this way, bet this way, and so on. I told Ralph about this Abraham, and he said, whoa, no problem. We could write a computer program, but could take the letters of any language…

…yeah, we touched on that possibility, too. That, I think is more likely the AI. I think this is a real issue. Ralph Pooh poohed it. But it philosophical problem for human beings. First of all, as someone last night mentioned, the famous Turing test,…

…theory implies not that what I or you may do is particularly important, but that the human is immensely important. And Ralph has pointed out to me that any invention or political movement or religious revelation, any great culture shaping thing that you…

…have to be a printhead? I mean, could have a hallucination like that where text was going through these variations. Ralph has described to me mathematical hallucinations, you know, drifting parentheses and factorial signatures and all this stuff moving around,…

…between Terrence McKenna and Ralph Abraham that took place on August 1 in 1998. And in the previous podcast, Terrence and Ralph each gave their views about the World Wide Web and millennium, and then they opened it up for questions. Now, before…

…millennium with the Internet. And now for a counterpoint of just plain talk. I wish I had a picture of the bemused grin on Ralph Abraham's face as he watched Terrence do his thing just then. What was truly amazing to me is that during that same day,…

…of us are there already. More of us will catch up in the next 18 months. But when you start talking about, you know, Ralph thought the idea of downloading people into circuitry was out there a long way. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't. A few months…

…to thank you so much for your excellent sharing. Thank you. Lots of time. I hope you were able to pick up on what Ralph was saying there about not trying to predict the future, but to create it instead. And what an image he created of our species…

…If you've got a few minutes right now, it really might be worth your time to go back and re listen to that part where Ralph is urging us all to just sort of imagine. Just imagine. What if everything we do right now matters a thousand times more than…

…was the 1 August, to be exact, and it took place at the Omega Institute upstate in Rhinebeck, New York. Terrance and Ralph were both conducting separate workshops at Omega that weekend. At least I know Terrence was, I'm pretty sure Ralph Washington. I was…

…Terrance and Ralph were both conducting separate workshops at Omega that weekend. At least I know Terrence was, I'm pretty sure Ralph Washington. I was at the workshop. Terrence was putting on and on. The workshop was like Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and…

…then. And remember, this was back then was like only six years ago. You know, it was a month after Terrence and Ralph had this conversation that Google was incorporated. So as they. They talk in about. In this conversation of theirs, things are changing…

…as extension of your checking account to landing zone for alien intelligence. Apocalyptic breakthrough, or, you know, trivial. More techno worship. Ralph and I pretty much come from the same school of theology on this because we're very native, netted in. I…

…I have to admit that I thought a lot of my ideas were maybe a little too wacky, too far out. But when I heard Ralph and Terrence saying the same things, I finally got up the courage to write about some of these ideas myself. And that's why I…