"What we would call manic depression, despair, and that chaotic, near psychotic state of unbounded hopelessness is the precondition then for the alchemical work." "An angel chartered modern science. It's the alchemical angel, which will not die. It returns again and again..."

Psychedelic Salon podcast episode #619 — Robert Anton Wilson on the Information Age (Part 2 of 2).

Likely a duplicate of the Nardwuar interview — same recording session.