…Isn't that sad? It was very sad. Because he was a certain heavyweight. Yeah. Very well respected, hardworking guy. Russ Oswald, Ray Mercunier, Norm Carlson, George Beto of the Texas system. What are you doing in there? I knew Carlson. Carlson was federal.…

…1963, wasn't it? 1964, yeah. The first time I ever got high was after I started working for you. And I went up in Ray Henry's apartment, and she's a student of art history. I took some white lightning, and there were all these art books around. And we…

…Are you in trouble again? You need some help? You're the favorite prisoner that ever escaped from my prison. I said, well, look, Ray, I need a blurb for my book. And then, day after tomorrow, I'm going to be debating G. Gordon Liddy, who started his…

…And this actually leads to what I wanted to talk about a little bit. which is a subject that's of very keen interest to Ray and me right now because we're writing a new book called The Visionary Factor. I don't know why I say new, we've been working…

…time of exactly where the person is taking you, but it's neat to have the surprises. One of the things we've been talking about, Ray and I have been talking about back last night is a major topic, is that we learn by surprise. That we are habituated…

…sense of risk and finding what Ted Turner calls the twist in the system in order to carry out Ted's ideas. I know Ray has been working with some concepts that he would like to put into some, that he'll probably talk about, into some computer games,…

…more creative, we've been deadened in the vitality of our intellectual creativity. Maybe not yours in this room, but... And always welcome, Ray. We're going to take a five-minute move around Ray and move around Marilyn orbit and come back in about five or…

…intellectual creativity. Maybe not yours in this room, but... And always welcome, Ray. We're going to take a five-minute move around Ray and move around Marilyn orbit and come back in about five or ten minutes. What's the remainder of the schedule? Right?…

…are you going to do? And then Bill spoke up again. We were just sitting here trying to figure out what we were going to do. Ray, who hadn't said a word since I barged in, finally spoke. He stood up and he came over to me and he put his big arm…

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