…entities that we find in our own mind. So it doesn't do any good to psychologize the alien and say, as Jung attempted to say, well, it's the autonomous. Other autonomous psychic components in the human mind present themselves as elves, fairies, sprites,…

…and that sort of thing. The tryptamines that interest me are sort of beyond the problem of the neurotic personality. You know, Jung had this notion that psychic health was something that went on till the day you died, that what individuation meant was…

…as pagans and magicians, we really understand that the mind can do anything. And there's a horribly frightening little passage in Jung somewhere where he says, the unconscious has a thousand ways to terminate a life that has become meaningless, meaning, you…

…It's an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of this. And I started out, you know, reading Jung, doing my hindu, you know, getting up to speed with all that, studying Zen Buddhism, studying shamanism. The thing that puzzles…

…The entirety of the 20th century has gone on under the aegis of this archaic revival. It begins with Freud and Jung, or earlier with impressionism. It works its way up through abstract expressionism and it has positive and negative manifestations. Fascism…

…so on. Then if further time passes and I don't take the mushroom, I finally am able to struggle up on the beach of Jung island. And there I convince myself it must just be, you know, that the human mind is haunted by the archetypes of the collective…

…little more jungian than that, and. We talk about the collective unconscious, but in a way, I though I'm more sympathetic to Jung. I like phrase superego because the phrase collective unconscious is a kind of blah concept. It's like a data bank, a…

…the rise and neo platonic philosopher said that he thought Christianity was a disease of the soul. And I think Freud and Jung have pretty much proved the same thing. Well, long before the viral metaphor, somewhat before the viral metaphor became a courant,…

…Jung have pretty much proved the same thing. Well, long before the viral metaphor, somewhat before the viral metaphor became a courant, Jung talked about what he called psychic epidemics. He, in, I think, 1934, wrote an essay on the return of Wotan as an…

…of LSD and masculine. Those seem to be largely explorations of human dimensions, psychoanalytic, and the collective unconscious of Jung, dimensions of historical resonance and that sort of thing. But there was not the prevalence of the extraterrestrial theme…

…from western consciousness. Psychedelic drugs, especially psilocybin, allow a searchlight to be thrown on these deeper levels of the psyche, as Jung correctly stated. But it is not a museum of archetypes or psychic constructs, as he seemed to assume. It is…

…is going on. But it's preposterous to claim that this is a psychological phenomenon, because these are changes in the world, what Jung called synchronicity, and made a certain model of. But what it really is is that an alternative physics is beginning to…

…But, you know, this is like conjuring. This doesn't explain anything. This is just some kind of stream of gobbledygook. I mean, Jung talks about autonomous psychic complexes which have escaped the control of the ego that's what he mean. He means an elf,…

…call unhappiness. It isn't for that. It is. And again, this may be the influence of jung in my background. Background. You know, Jung felt that there was no such thing as normality, that life, the task of life, was what he called individuation. And he…

…room in it for this. Our model of what psychedelic drugs should do is derive from Freud and then secondarily from Jung. From Freud we derive the idea that the psychedelic drug should introduce you to neurotic thought processes, repressed memory, traumatic…

…you to neurotic thought processes, repressed memory, traumatic experience, guilt laden incidents that have been forgotten, this sort of thing. From Jung we inherit the idea that beyond that there is a landscape of myth and that we will encounter the great…

…which controls that. Now, if you're in a highly novel situation, then you get what Lilly calls cosmic coincidence, or Jung calls synchronicity. You get obvious connections which have no obvious casuistry behind them. They are connected through meaning, not…

…people hit the front door of a hospital, they're given stelazine or lithium or something. And yet, you know, it seems more as though Jung was on the right track. This is a process in the dynamics of the unconscious that wants to work itself out to a…

…tissue, prospering the host. And in the area of psychology there were parallel developments. The theories of Freud and Jung were being developed into increasingly useful clinical tools and approaches to mental illness, and the basis of experimental psychology…

…from western consciousness. Psychedelic drugs, especially psilocybin, allow a searchlight to be thrown on these deeper levels of the psyche, as Jung Correctly stated. But it is not a museum of archetypes or psychic constructs as he seemed to assume. It is a…

…is going on but it's preposterous to claim that this is a psychological phenomenon because these are changes in the world what Jung called synchronicity and made a certain model of. But what it really is is that an alternative physics is beginning to…

…period in childhood, in other words out of the present but still within the context of the life of the experience and then Jung Trying to say well it's that, but it's more than that and bringing in the notion of a collective unconscious. But it isn't…

…you've been thinking of who lives far away shows up at your doorstep. This kind of thing. The word synchronicity was coined by Jung and it means a meaningful coincidence, but I think it was p d Bridgman who said that a coincidence is what you have…

…what we all experience is mental health and certainly doesn't require any drug intervention because it in fact is normality. But Jung and others have had more the idea of an open ended process, that there is an unlimited potential for understanding and…

…be investigated. I mean if there's a chemical agent which can repeatedly trigger a phenomenon that bizarre, it should be looked at. Jung very early suggested in a book called flying saucers, a modern myth of things seen in the sky that he published in…

…it begins with Freud and it's the unconscious and it's where everything you repress is and then it goes through Jung and it's the collective unconscious and it's where everyone's memories and connections are. So that's the invisible dimension that the…

…this other thing which is calling us home will slowly meet and it's it's all about the saucer. The saucer is a good metaphor. When Jung divined that the saucer was a human soul he he was right I mean he just didn't know what he meant quite but that's…

…environment and this was all sanctioned. I was not obsessed with the I Ching I was interested because I had been interested in Jung and Jung talks a lot about synchronicity and the I Ching was always his prime example of what synchronicity was. So I was…

…this was all sanctioned. I was not obsessed with the I Ching I was interested because I had been interested in Jung and Jung talks a lot about synchronicity and the I Ching was always his prime example of what synchronicity was. So I was interested in…

…what are we to do with an elf? You know that becomes a little harder to contextualize in psychoanalytic theory. Although Jung did a good job when he said autonomous elements can escape from the psyche's control and present themselves as independent…

…right. So coming into the 20th century, that was it the hashish and the opium thing. Well then Freud, and behind him Jung, began to look at the products of pathological fantasy and the products of folklore and alchemy and the aroused imagination in its…

…it's a complete dissolving of your personality, of the boundary constraints, everything. And so then what was offered after Freud and Jung by Aldous Huxley and people like that to model it was some kind of confirmation of eastern philosophy it was embraced…

…that what you mean by magic? Or when you use the term magic what is it you mean by magic? I mean some kind of Jung called it a psychoid, I'm not sure why exactly but an entry into a dimension where two possibilities are happening either the level of…

…and the outlines. And I went into it with the expectations of a kind of a tin horn jungian. I never formally studied Jung but I read all the bollingen books and assimilated the Jung which jungians never read, the Jung of psychology and alchemy, mysterium…

…a kind of a tin horn jungian. I never formally studied Jung but I read all the bollingen books and assimilated the Jung which jungians never read, the Jung of psychology and alchemy, mysterium junctionis, ion studies in the phenomenology of the self. So I…

…I never formally studied Jung but I read all the bollingen books and assimilated the Jung which jungians never read, the Jung of psychology and alchemy, mysterium junctionis, ion studies in the phenomenology of the self. So I expected that what I would…

…elements of the psyche? I mean what does that mean to you? To me it means the kibiri, the alchemical children that Jung talks about. It means the djinns, aphrodites, sprites, nixies and elves of folklore. To expand what he was asking you to read,…

…for hours and transpose from one place to another. So it's that the human mind has an inherent drive to create holistic metaphors. Jung was on to this he called them totality symbols, but he thought that they were that the end of the process was when…

…are driven by cannibalistic drives, incest obsessions, that you know right below the edwardian surface was the jungle. And of course then Jung came along and more or less connected things up more clearly and said: yes all human psyche has its roots in the…

…as a very you know it's like trying to turn a battleship with an oar. It's very, very slow going but with Freud and Jung we get the discovery of the unconscious I mean they discover it through a spyglass at 900 yards but they do announce that it's…

…the publication of the first books becomes associated with accessing the database of the culture. Well what we've learned through Freud and Jung is that the database of the culture goes deeper than we may have anticipated and that the final keys to the…

…discovery of the purification of mescaline in Berlin in 1897. Freud begins to publish around the turn of the century, Jung. They are discovering the primitive unconscious they are revealing to edvardian and viennese ladies and gentlemen of great culture and…

…reality of the situation that ensues once the psyche is hooked into making the transference to the alchemical or saucerian goal. Jung, citing Gerhard Dorn, stresses that the materialization of the stone is only a prologue to the experience of the perfected…

…materialization of the stone is only a prologue to the experience of the perfected self qua self in the state of illumination Jung wrote though we know from experience that psychic processes are related to material ones we are not in a position to say…

…the doors of perception, Joyce James, Finnegan's wake, London 1939. Ulysses Ditto, slightly earlier, yonch, Eric, the self organizing universe, Jung, Carl Gustav, flying saucers, a modern myth of things seen in the sky and mysterium functionis, New York 1963.…

…will be our technology and the call of the other that will move toward meeting. The saucer is a good metaphor for this. When Jung suggested that the saucer was the human soul, he was right. He simply didn't know what he meant. It is not so far away.…

…the limitation of not being tangential to ordinary space time, it will still represent perfected understanding of the hyper dimension. Jung named the collective unconscious. Looking back from a vantage point of nearly eight years on these notes makes them…

…think and feel. And then no sooner had he gotten this fairly well laid out and working the way he wanted than his student Jung broke away from him and said: yes that's all true but the entire sexual complex has to be centered in a larger sphere which…

…how a goddess or a magical belief got from one place to another because they reasoned how else could it be transmitted? Jung blows that all up and says: well people will spontaneously invent the same religious forms, the same rituals, the same notions…

…notion of synchronicity and then comes up through all the delvings into the irrational in the 20th century, and certainly Jung and Freud's Exploration of the unconscious, exonerates a different notion of time or at least the validity of entertaining different…

…your way from neurosis to health and in a way psychoanalysis is part of the new age. I mean the relationship between Freud and Jung to Blavatsky, Gurdjieff and some of these people is a fascinating study in itself. So yes there is a lot of disease in…

…and there are parts many, many components to the self and no one knows no one has taken the measure of it you know Jung tried to take the measure of it. I mean people are always saying: is it an extraterrestrial or is it the collective unconscious and…

…to get up repressed and traumatic material and get rid of it depotentiate it. Then you move into this archetypal zone that Jung and karenye and these people mapped. Beyond that lies this stuff which seems accessible to human beings but not very human and…

…fractal nature of yourself, so that you see that you are yourself but you are also all these little selves which Jung Actually mentioned this in one essay he called them autonomous psychic entities, mischievous bounding forms of ontic energy, and this is…

…notion of synchronicity and then comes up through all the delvings into the irrational in the 20th century, and certainly Jung and Freud's Exploration of the unconscious exonerates a different notion of time or at least the validity of entertaining different…

…down through the French, English, German Tradition of constipated male dominance. And instead you know, intuit that's what it is in Freud and Jung and the new age and intuit our way out. But now we're close the intuition is rising to the no longer have…

…wagging of the baroque and rococo era, which was the come down from the Renaissance. So modern art, the discoveries of Freud and Jung that there was more to life than being awake or asleep, but that there were you know spirits, the rebirth of a sense…

…the entities that we find in our own mind. So it doesn't do any good to psychologize the alien and say, as Jung attempted to say, well it's the autonomous other autonomous psychic components in the human mind present themselves as elves, fairies, sprites…

…it more complicated than that? Well in other words we know Freud had a notion of how the personality was constructed. Jung brought another vocabulary to bear. Are these meaningful vocabularies? Is there still a place for the id the superego, the collective…

…path. I had taken LSD before I had smoked DMT and I was able to hold it within the model provided by Freud and Jung and Huxley and ordinary literatures of mystical experience. But when you smoke DMT it seems to carry you into a data field that is…

…LSD or in some cases psilocybin, this doesn't seem to confirm our ideas about the human unconscious, the cheerful theories of Freud, Jung, and wright it seems instead to imply that the universe is a system of condensed levels of manifestation that we can,…

…and the entirety of the 20th century has been a deconstruction of gentlemanly reason. Abstract expressionism all of these things, freudianism, Jung, National socialism it's all anti reasonable, I mean from the point of view of the 19th century we don't have…

…between the psychedelic community which is to my mind an exiled tribe of scientists. The psychedelic community we're the heirs of Freud and Jung, but booted out of the tent of science because we dared to use the human brain body as an instrument and so…

…can actually contain the idea of autonomous life forms in the psyche. I mean this is a kind of jungian explanation. Jung said of these things called kibiri, which are alchemical sprites basically kibiri just means children, but alchemical sprites that are…

…So I as most people do or would, I think, looked to tradition for some kind of guidance about what this was and read Jung and read Mercier Liad and saw you know parallels but not a clear congruency and saw in the iconography of Tibetan Buddhism seemed…

…but you know this is like conjuring. This doesn't explain anything, this is just some kind of stream of gobbledygook. I mean Jung talks about autonomous psychic complexes which have escaped the control of the ego. That's what he means. He means an elf you…

…who were attacking him. I mean they couldn't believe anybody could be that punchy in the head but he maintained this to his death. Jung talks a lot about the rotundum, the round thing in the psyche. It's an image of the soul. It's also an image of the…

…we see around us. So this impulse throughout the 20th century has been building toward the archaic. As I said Freud, Jung, jazz, abstract expressionism, house music all of this stuff but the central quintessence of this archaic impulse is shamanism the…

…the recovery of the unconscious, first the sexual nature of the unconscious through Freud, Later the mass archetypal structure through Jung in other words the great movements of the 20th century, even marxism, can be seen as efforts to recapture prehistoric…

…truth and the real truth is that the mind can kill you instantly if it chooses to. There's a terrifying passage in Jung in mysterium cununtiones, where he says the psyche has a thousand ways of terminating a life which has become meaningless. You know…

…does admit that we aren't all nice little ladies and gentlemen drives to cannibalism, incest and murder right under the surface. Jung takes folklore, fairy tales, alchemy, expands all that. At the same time the cheerful world of newtonian physics is being…

…so we also tune in to the memories of large numbers of other people and this is similar as a notion to what Jung called the collective unconscious. So that's a summary of what it's all about, and the experiments I've just been talking about were in…

…suppose look for correlated events around the world see whether certain patterns of events tended to happen around the world, what Jung would call synchronicities, which he thought of as manifesting some kind of underlying pattern in the flow of time. And…

…manifesting some kind of underlying pattern in the flow of time. And so the study of synchronicities already exists. Of course Jung initiated it or even before him camerer and others. So that's one way of looking at time flow, because synchronicities…

…human history, which would give memories I would think of them as memories in the collective memory through morphic resonance. Jung would call them collective archetypes in the collective unconscious, things which are built into our past, our memory that have…

…23 and my brother would have been 19, and yet we felt like we'd already spent years thinking about these things, reading Jung, studying Tibetan Yoga, going to India, taking psychedelics, and I'm not a true believer or some kind of soft headed enthusiast…

…philanthropists we can certainly tell you how to spend your money. We have many. What an honor I think it is to address the Jung Society at one point in my life my greatest desire was to become a jungian analyst and I had the good fortune of coming…

…at one point in my life my greatest desire was to become a jungian analyst and I had the good fortune of coming upon Jung very young. I was about 15 when a very precocious friend of mine brought psychology and alchemy in the kerry f Baines Translation…

…to mysterium conjunctionis ion, the studies in the phenomenology of the self I said to someone yesterday we read all the books of Jung that the jungians never read. They seemed to stop up there toward the front of the line with the archetypes of the…

…was Albert Hoffman's Hometown. Did one half of town know what the other half was doing? I'm not sure. The relationship of Jung to the collective unconscious as its discoverer has been always somewhat puzzling to me because of course if you know the…

…people slightly left their ordinary habits and wandered into bars they didn't know and drank with people they'd never met before. Because Jung provided maps of the unconscious and at 16, when we were beginning to experiment with this and let me stress this…

…of realism and gives you a feeling tone thing which was very antithetical to Victorian Edwardian thought. Then Freud and Jung describe different aspects of the unconscious. But to do it Freud has to talk about repressed primitive sexual imaginings. Jung…

…Jung describe different aspects of the unconscious. But to do it Freud has to talk about repressed primitive sexual imaginings. Jung talks about folklore, fairy tales and mythology. Meanwhile the dadaists and the surrealists are saying: we have to break up…

…and there are parts many, many components to the self and no one knows, no one has taken the measure of it. You know Jung tried to take the measure of it. I mean people are always saying is it an extraterrestrial or is it the collective unconscious…

…able to get up repressed and traumatic material and get rid of it depotentiated. Then you move into this archetypal zone that Jung and carenier and these people mapped. Beyond that lies this stuff which seems accessible to human beings but not very human…

…the associating mind without trimming, pruning, judging, denying. One of the great puzzles to me is the great antagonism between Jung and Joyce, because you would have thought that they would have been comrades in arms. But Joyce Loathed psychoanalysis. He…

…was a lifestyle for him. I think that the whole of the 20th century is informed by this hyperdimensional understanding and that Jung tapping into it in the 20s, the dadaists in 1919 in Zurich, the surrealists even earlier, the ecole de pathophysique, l…

…experience. That's what makes the shaman a shaman, that's what made the archaic in fact archaic, and so people like Freud and Jung and the surrealists and the dadaists and the abstract expressionists all of these people were very close to the mark. The…

…the contents of my own mind and astonished over and over again where is this stuff coming from? And I looked at Jung and I entertained the fantasy of extraterrestrial contact. I still haven't answered this question but I think it's a question which the…

…which I think would blow the lid off of things so we're really getting close to. I mean I'm in total agreement that Roy and Jung discovered this icon just about 100 years ago, but they discovered it and I'm under charge of the spy gas as you said in…

…contrast the state of modern of paradigm shift that I'm suggesting, we know nothing about the mind. There are a few theories Freud, Jung, Reich, so forth and so on but these are just guesses tossed into the unknown and yet in principle, the mind need…

…past, so we also tune into the memories of large numbers of other people and this is similar as a notion to what Jung called the collective unconscious. So that's a summary of what it's all about. And the experiments I've just been talking about were in…

…look for correlated events around the world, seeing whether certain patterns of events tended to happen around the world, what Jung would call synchronicities, which he thought of as manifesting some kind of underlying pattern in the flow of time. And…

…manifesting some kind of underlying pattern in the flow of time. And so the study of synchronicities already exists. Of course Jung initiated it or even before him camerer and others. So that's one way of looking at time flow, because synchronicities…

…moment. He thought it would become matter in the act of appropriate activity. Instead what emerged was a totality symbol, and Jung talks about how in the individuation process you always hope that the patient or the client will generate a totality symbol,…

…own psyche and what might lie within. You know, it's only been within the confines of the 20th century that Freud and Jung introduced Western people to the idea that there were repressed and atavistic portions of the human psyche. So I... And you're right…

…became a kind of well a hologram if you will the jungian hologram of the archetypal matrix which, if you've ever read Jung, you know that he has very little appreciation for historical chronology. He will cite a 16th century alchemist in the same breath…

…have we all have the experience of seeing a kind of coordination among events in different spheres and different times that Jung calls synchronicity. We could say that there are a kind of space time patterns in experience that defy ordinary explanation and…

…period in childhood, in other words out of the present but still within the context of the life of the experience. And then Jung bringing in, trying to say: well it's that, but it's more than that and bringing in the notion of a collective unconscious.…

…a psychedelic drug and then someone you've been thinking of who lives far away shows up at your doorstep this kind of thing, Jung. The word synchronicity was coined by Jung and it means a meaningful coincidence. But I think it was p d Bridgman who said…

…you've been thinking of who lives far away shows up at your doorstep this kind of thing, Jung. The word synchronicity was coined by Jung and it means a meaningful coincidence. But I think it was p d Bridgman who said that a coincidence is what you have…

…that what we all experience is mental health and certainly doesn't require any drug intervention because it in fact is normality. But Jung and others have had, you know more the idea of an open ended process, that there is an unlimited potential for…

…be investigated. I mean if there's a chemical agent which can repeatedly trigger a phenomenon that bizarre, it should be looked at. Jung very early suggested in a book called flying saucers, a modern myth of things seen in the sky that he published in…

…But you know this is like conjuring this doesn't explain anything this is just some kind of stream of gobbledygook. I mean Jung talks about autonomous psychic complexes which have escaped the control of the ego. That's what he means he means an elf you…

…that's the word for it undertaking to give birth to the collective soul of the species. I mean the flying saucer which Jung made this very clear the flying saucer which haunts our collective imagination is a totality symbol that is in the unconscious but…

…20th century has been all about confronting the bankruptcy of all of that. And from the time of surrealism and Freud and Jung and dada right through to rave music and jazz and rock and roll and abstract expressionism these are all archaic impulses. The…

…the concern of surrealism is nothing less than the pictorial representation of the contents of the unconscious as described by Freud and Jung. So in a way, what we're talking about here is not so much the culture Shaping power of psychedelics or television…

…notion as cheerful as instant psychotherapy. Okay, so then jack the metaphor slightly higher. It must be then that it was not Freud but Jung who was right, and so it must be that this is an insight into not only my personality, my past, my trauma but…

…that we carry in our bodies, and that these vast forms glimpsed in the psychedelic dimension are in fact the archetypes of Jung. They are the over structure of the mass psyche that arises out of our physical and mental organization and around which…

…status of these entities is what I would think of as the jungian position and to demonstrate it I'll simply quote Jung on the subject of umm sprites and elementals. He calls them umm, autonomous fragments of psychic energy which have temporarily escaped…

…earth spirit of this culture and an earth spirit of that culture as in the Diffusion of mythology there is what Jung called archetypes just to suggest that different layers in a spectrum of reality or particularness or individuality of these things. Well…

…with matter, the extraction of energy from matter well then is this whispering from the demon artificers a phrase which Jung uses the whisperings of the demon artificers have led us into technological self expression and perhaps indeed into self expression…

…revival in which I tried to say that the entire cultural impulse of the 20th century, beginning with Freud and Jung discovering the unconscious beginning with Picasso dragging back primitive West African masks to Paris and inserting them into his paintings,…

…tendency, this nostalgia has been sorted out over the last hundred years by generations of scholars, beginning with Freud and Jung and Blavatsky and Crowley and then coming up through all the folklorists and deconstructionists, as this thing has been teased…

…of resonance with the transcendent logic, such that they in a sense embodied it. Well, in our own era, because of technology and Jung was on to this when he wrote his book in 1948 called flying saucers of modern myth of things seen in the sky,…

…as pagans and magicians we really understand that the mind can do anything and there's a horribly frightening little passage in Jung Somewhere where he says the unconscious has a thousand ways to terminate a life that has become meaningless, meaning you…

…And it's an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of this. And I started out you know, reading Jung, doing my Hindu, you know getting up to speed with all that studying Zen Buddhism, studying shamanism. The thing that puzzles…

…period in childhood, in other words out of the present but still within the context of the life of the experience. And then Jung Trying to say: well it's that, but it's more than that and bringing in the notion of a collective unconscious. But it isn't…

…a psychedelic drug and then someone you've been thinking of who lives far away shows up at your doorstep this kind of thing. Jung the word synchronicity was coined by Jung and it means a meaningful coincidence, but I think it was p d Bridgman who said…

…you've been thinking of who lives far away shows up at your doorstep this kind of thing. Jung the word synchronicity was coined by Jung and it means a meaningful coincidence, but I think it was p d Bridgman who said that a coincidence is what you have…

…what we all experience is mental health and certainly doesn't require any drug intervention because it in fact is normality. But Jung and others have had more the idea of an open ended process, that there is an unlimited potential for understanding and…

…be investigated. I mean if there's a chemical agent which can repeatedly trigger a phenomenon that bizarre it should be looked at. Jung very early suggested in a book called flying saucers which is a modern myth of things seen in the sky that he…

…it the first swell back to the turn of the century with relativity and theosophy and surrealism and the work of Freud and Jung on the unconscious. But it's a discovery, a moving toward a realization that the values that can serve us are archaic values…

…be a little more jungian than that and we talk about the collective unconscious. But in a way though I'm more sympathetic to Jung. I like the phrase super ego because the phrase collective unconscious is a kind of blah concept it's like a data bank a…

…the idea that all of the and I see the whole of the 20th century the discovery of the unconscious by Freud and Jung, the dissolving of the naturalistic image at the hands of the cubists, the probing of the dream state by the surrealists the exploration…

…and mythology and these were the two poles of the data field that the discovery of the unconscious was working on. Well then Jung had the prescience to realize that alchemy which to that point, as the gentleman over here said, had been dismissed as a…

…accounts differ, and those of you who really want to get into this, I I recommend you read umm mysterium conjunctiones by Jung the mysterious conjunction, and and he discusses the negro, the negrito in great detail. Another symbol for the negrito is the…

…this is what we're after, and if you possess it nothing else is worth anything because it is psychic completion, peace of mind. Jung called it the self it's the self that we are trying to recover and remember we talked about the gnostic myths of the…

…in a very self conscious way he's using it the way a jungian analyst would use the word the self. And if you've read Jung on this subject, you know that the self is not, uh it's the repository of all mystery. In other words, to say that something…

…quite kosher. Yes, did you have a break with catholicism or did it just mutate into all of your? It sort of mutated. I read Jung is what happened? I first read psychology and alchemy and that led me on to the other one which is deeper about all of…

…And alchemy it was a revelation to me all that I didn't get religious history from the church the way I got it from Jung, because from Jung I realized it was books and so you could read these books. I mean it was torment, torturous, it was when…

…it was a revelation to me all that I didn't get religious history from the church the way I got it from Jung, because from Jung I realized it was books and so you could read these books. I mean it was torment, torturous, it was when I was first…

…I mean people like Alfred Jarry and rené Clair and Marcel Duchamp and these people. They were enunciating long before Freud and Jung the presence of the unconscious as a Frontier into which the locomotive of marxist history looked like it was headed with…

…as pagans and magicians we really understand that the mind can do anything. And there's a horribly frightening little passage in Jung Somewhere where he says the unconscious has a thousand ways to terminate a life that has become meaningless, meaning you…

…and it's an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of this. And I started out you know reading Jung, doing my Hindu, you know getting up to speed with all that studying Zen Buddhism, studying shamanism. The thing that puzzles me…

…room in it. For this our model of what psychedelic drugs should do is derived from Freud and then secondarily from Jung. From Freud we derive the idea that the psychedelic drugs should introduce you to neurotic thought processes repressed memory, traumatic…

…you to neurotic thought processes repressed memory, traumatic experience, guilt laden incidents that have been forgotten, this sort of thing. From Jung we inherit the idea that beyond that there is a landscape of myth and that we will encounter the great…

…which controls that now if you're in a highly novel situation then you get what lily calls cosmic coincidence or Jung calls synchronicity. You get obvious connections which have no obvious cause behind them they are connected through meaning not through…

…techniques and conceits to his students or his imitators and all this art historical stuff and I also had been very interested in Jung, and none of this seemed to explain the content of the psychedelic experience. I would get in there and say, well how…

…level that what causes. I've worked with someone who has done drug therapies in Mexico and also have a little story about Jung, and many of the people who have gotten into the situation of psychosis are people who have used drugs and the general…

…in. If you're a shaman and you can say these things and have them be accepted, then you're fine and it doesn't have to be drugs. Jung used to. When he was older he used to sit in a chair and just go inside and when he came back he would have as…

…litany of things that he would say so that he could come back and function. He would say: you know I'm Carl Lutz Dr Jung, my wife is so and so my children, I have this many children this many grandchildren he chills: yeah, uh huh. The reconnect…

…happened was, or what I think wants to happen in every psychedelic experience is that there is a totality symbol. You know Jung tried to get his patients to make mandalas because he said they were totality symbols. Well eventually the totality symbol is…

…made of light that can move at any speed and become any object and answer any question. Well it's an archetype of wholeness. Jung in his flying saucer book, talked about this thing in alchemy called the rotundum, which was the thing which spins you know…

…was shamanism, shamanism, animism, animism meaning that nature is alive. One other thing I wanted to say about alchemy is that Jung said well the alchemists were projecting the contents of their unconscious into matter. So they were looking at the processes…

…it's very easy to see that monotheism is a great deal of what lies at the root of our problem because, you know it was Jung who made the observation that as we picture our gods, so then do we model our psyches that in fact our gods. Are models of…

…the recovery of the unconscious, first the sexual nature of the unconscious through Freud, Later the mass archetypal structure through Jung in other words the great movements of the 20th century, even marxism can be seen as efforts to recapture prehistoric…

…humanistic idea of the collective unconscious which, although being unconscious it's hard to assign it boundaries, is generally assumed by Jung to be confined to humanity. Yes, a very limiting hypothesis, a dangerous hypothesis. The first one that we want to…

…own psyche and what might lie within. You know it's only been within the confines of the 20th century that Freud and Jung introduced western people to the idea that there were repressed and atavistic portions of the human psyche. So I and you're right…

…well somehow the modalities of both must be preserved in a higher union. This is the union of opposites, the coincidencia positorum the Jung and Altman is all about. Well I really see I mean now that we're on to this metaphor what I've really been…

…idea is just to somehow disabuse yourself of the habit of overemphasizing something by perceiving the value in the other. You know Jung psychoanalyzed god. This was bold I think it was the last book before he died. Answer to job: he psychoanalyzed god he…

…the Ganges and the Ganges Contention I mean it's not always holy, thank you. That's exactly what I meant at the beginning, where Jung cycling like god and found a fractal mixture of good and evil. And then of course we see it everywhere in nature. And…

…fact we were both at the time and really still are but at the time we were very much steeped in jungian psychology and Jung you know wrote extensively about alchemy and so you know we understood a lot about the symbol of alchemy and the alchemy is…

…whatever that may take sounds good. That's it. Terrence I was interested in your concept of fate. It reminded me of a quote by Jung where he says that fate is doing willingly that which I must do. And I was wondering about this concept of fate. You…

…are different models about what the psychedelic experience is. Here's a couple building on western psychotherapy as elaborated by Freud and Jung. One view of what psychedelics are is: it's the part of your mind that you'd rather not do business with. It's…

…by taking the drug again I think the dark night of the soul is a natural and unavoidable part of any psychological growth process. Jung called it the negrito, taking a term from alchemy. My idea of the way to use psychedelics is very similar to how the…

…down through the French, English, German Tradition of constipated male dominance and instead, you know, intuit that's what it is in Freud and Jung and the new age, intuit our way out. But now the intuition is rising to the surface. We no longer have to…

…people hit the front door of a hospital, they're given Stelazine or lithium or something. And yet, you know, it seems more as though Jung was on the right track. This is a process in the dynamics of the unconscious that wants to work itself out to a…

…well somehow the modalities of both must be preserved in a higher union. This is the union of opposites, the coincidencia positorum that Jung and alchemy is all about. Well I really see I mean now that we're on to this metaphor what I've really been…

…opens avenues to certain choices and precludes avenues to other choices. You know I think it was in mysterium quintiones that Jung said that the unconscious has a thousand ways of terminating a life that has become meaningless. A chilling notion, and what…

…speaks on psilocybin is now extraterrestrial. You know with its own history, its own evolutionary standards, etc. That it is what Jung would call an autonomous portion of the psyche that has slipped beyond the ego's control, meaning that you're crazy, or at…

…20 minutes later, ideas are beginning to accompany this melting and flowing of perception. We've now reached surrealism and Freud and Jung, the discovery of the unconscious. Well then it keeps going, it gets more and more intense. Now we don't see…

…yourself and your memories of the past. All of your experience is returned to you and beyond that you dissolve then into what Jung called the collective unconscious or something like that and then beyond that gaian mind, cosmic mind I mean I'm no fan of…

…the first books. Ever written is I think one of the best it's called flying saucers a modern myth of things seen in the sky by Jung and what he says is that I hope I don't have to do too much backgrounding for an audience like this but as you know…

…what he says is that I hope I don't have to do too much backgrounding for an audience like this but as you know Jung analyzed alchemy and said that in the presence of a psyche epistemologically naive about the real nature of matter, the contents of the…

…about the cosmic environment is approximately at the same level of sophistication as the 16th century's grasp of matter was. And so Jung said that he talked about in alchemy what's called the rotundum, that which spins, and he said the spinning rotundum is…

…just to somehow disabuse yourself of the habit of over emphasizing something by perceiving the value in the other. You know Jung psychoanalyzed god. This was bold I think it was the last book before he died. He psychoanalyzed god he psychoanalyzed yahweh,…

…Ethos: run mad and the Ganges is contagious and you can't hold it, thank you. That's exactly what I meant at the beginning, where Jung cycling like god in front of a fractal mixture of good and evil. And then of course we see it everywhere in nature…

…use of LSD and mescaline. Those seem to be largely explorations of human dimensions, psychoanalytic and the collective unconscious of Jung, Dimensions of historical resonance and that sort of thing but there was not the prevalence of the extraterrestrial theme…

…of the past at the end of time haunt the skies of this planet in the form of spinning vortices, of contradiction. This is what Jung said. He said you know the UFO is an image of the self, and I don't mean the little self, I mean the collective self…

…as the other and sometimes, as I said it's my colleague and sometimes it's my Jewish Godfather and sometimes it is my. What Jung called the soror mystica or what my brother Dennis called the soror mistress it is, you know has this erotic connotation to…

…discovery of the purification of mescaline in Berlin in 1897 Freud begins to publish around the turn of the century, Jung. They are discovering the primitive unconscious. They are revealing to edwardian and viennese ladies and gentlemen of great culture and…

…down through the French, English, German Tradition of constipated male dominance and instead, you know, intuit that's what it is in Freud and Jung and the new age intuit our way out but now the intuition is rising to the surface. We no longer have to…

…huh. Well in a way, I was very interested in synchronicity in my youth. That's sort of what got me started reading Jung. But the more time I spent reading philosophy, and especially philosophy of science relative to time I came to realize that…

…time I spent reading philosophy, and especially philosophy of science relative to time I came to realize that synchronicity, as presented by Jung, is not an explanation of anything. It's the name of a phenomenon but it is no explanation in fact it tells…

…and to my mind this is confounding. This is no mere extension of the models of the psyche that we inherit from Freud and Jung. It begins to look as though you know the mind is not even in the brain there's some kind of extended landscape of…

…just as I assume you are doing, trying to figure out, taking seriously what Alan Watts and Joe Campbell and all those people Jung Trying to figure out what are these people talking about? Is it just abstract? Can it ever be reached? And I sat at…

…a very good idea on the first pass and not such a good idea on the second pass, because if you take a page from Jung as I try to do, you know that the religious ontology of a culture reflects its innermost psychology, and the idea of monotheism one…

…You know if you examine in and look at it many objects are like this is it possible that the personality is fractal? Jung made a lot of metaphorical statements about the behavior of the psyche based on the behavior of mercury, the metal, the liquid…

…from western consciousness. Psychedelic drugs, especially psilocybin, allow a searchlight to be thrown on these deeper levels of the psyche as Jung Correctly stated. But it is not a museum of archetypes or psychic constructs, as he seemed to assume it is a…

…is going on but it's preposterous to claim that this is a psychological phenomenon, because these are changes in the world what Jung called synchronicity and made a certain model of but what it really is is that an alternative physics is beginning to…

…your money. We have many plans for your money. Okay umm I wasn't kidding about what an honor I think it is to address the Jung Society at one point in my life my greatest desire was to become a jungian analyst and I had the good fortune of coming…

…at one point in my life my greatest desire was to become a jungian analyst and I had the good fortune of coming upon Jung very young. I was about 15 when a very precocious friend of mine brought psychology and alchemy in the Carrie F Baines Translation…

…cover and then went on to mysterium in the phenomenology of the self. I said to someone yesterday we read all the books of Jung that the jungians never read. They seem to stop up there toward the front of the line with the archetypes of the collective…

…was Albert Hoffman's Hometown. Did one half of town know what the other half was doing? I'm not sure. The relationship of Jung to the unconscious, to the collective unconscious as its discoverer has been always somewhat puzzling to me because of course if…

…people slightly left their ordinary habits and wandered into bars they didn't know and drank with people they'd never met before. Because Jung provided maps of the unconscious and at 16, when we were beginning to experiment with this and let me stress this…

…messiahs, religions and these various crude interventions into the human experience which keep us from destroying ourselves. This is also what Jung called the collective unconscious right but he painted it as a very passive kind of thing more like a data…