…of order, a super speakened medium out of which perturbations to higher states of order can spontaneously emerge. This is what Ilya Prigozhin and Ralph Abraham and all these people are talking about. I want to ask you something, Terrence. I interviewed a…

…I think I mean Eric Jansch was a great pioneer, a great soul and he saw very deeply into whole systems as did Ilya Prigozhin, the Belgian Thermodynamicist and I think a lot of all of what we're doing comes out of that. What Prigozhin showed that just…

…Ilya Prigozhin, the Belgian Thermodynamicist and I think a lot of all of what we're doing comes out of that. What Prigozhin showed that just brought down the house was that there could be perturbations of physical systems that were unpredictable and that…

…the curiously literary nature of reality that it's much more like a novel by Thomas Pynchon Than it is like an equation by Ilya Prigozhin. And why is that? Is it because, in fact, the flesh is word and that understanding this is the real task of…

…I think. I mean Eric Yonch was a great pioneer, a great soul, and he saw very deeply into whole systems, as did Ilya Prigozhin, the Belgian Thermodynamicist and I think a lot of all of what we're doing comes out of that. What Prigozhin showed that just…

…Ilya Prigozhin, the Belgian Thermodynamicist and I think a lot of all of what we're doing comes out of that. What Prigozhin showed that just brought down the house was that there could be perturbations of physical systems that were unpredictable and that…

…a doorway into an energetic hyperspace, somehow a way around the no free lunch rule. We'll talk more about this but these guys Prigozhin and yonch anticipated and were in many ways inspirational to what we all are doing. So then before I hand this on to…

…a vis the human mind. Okay, so that I was a little pan to David Balm and then moving through that and going further, Ilya Prigozhin, who has also been to esalen and had an influence on many people who taught at esalen, and me among them, although I…

…was no law of nature to emerge in the 19th century more tenaciously believed in than the second law of thermodynamics and Prigozhin just showed that. You know it was a generally true statement of a rather complex situation in which actually sometimes it…

…rather complex situation in which actually sometimes it was bunk and he secured that mathematically. That was 20 years ago. Now Prigozhin is coming forward with a theory that I modestly suggest sounds somewhat like my notion about time: that time is first…

…anything to do with what it was and then it was realized you know that it was actually a point for point description. So Prigozhin is beginning to say that time is a thing and that therefore it has an arrow and that complexity is conserved as you…

…builds on biology and so forth like that. So when you said that what was the other term not novelty, but or Prigozhin, Complexity, complexity is maintained as you get closer to the present. Yes, that complexity seems to be clustering near the present…

…and these things are very real, the most cutting edge sciences seem to indicate, you know since the 70s on when Ilya Prigozhin did his work in non equilibrium thermodynamics, the word has been out that very complex systems spontaneously mutate to higher…

…precludes our understanding anything interesting. That's why people like Ralph Abraham with his theory of dynamics and Ilya Prigozhin with his non equilibrium thermodynamics and Manfred Aydin with his autocatalytic hypercycles. These are interesting new approaches…

…or the evolution of society or the evolution of a political viewpoint. This is all bad thinking. Well, people like Ilya Prigozhin, Wes Churchman, Eric Jancz have reclaimed evolution as the notion of progressive motion movement toward higher and higher states…

…Though there may be vicissitudes, ups and downs, ultimately the situation ends up more novel than it started out. Ilya Prigozhin, who got the Nobel prize for work in non equilibrium thermodynamics, called this the principle of order through perturbation,…

…held faiths in physics was that the universe is undergoing thermodynamic degradation. In other words everything is tending to fall apart. Prigozhin showed that this is not true, that even in physical systems there can be simple physical systems, there can be…

…systems, more automatic searches, more bots, more voids, more code, and nobody knows what's steaming and fermenting out there. Ilya Prigozhin won the Nobel prize for physics by proving that chemical systems spontaneously mutate to higher states of order. So…

…Well then if you're going to have a singularity I think of a singularity as a kind of phase transition. You know, Ilya Prigozhin talks about how a chemical system will suddenly and spontaneously migrate to a higher state of order. Well that's sort of how…

…Well then if you're going to have a singularity I think of a singularity as a kind of phase transition. You know Ilya Prigozhin talks about how a chemical system will suddenly and spontaneously migrate to a higher state of order. Well that's sort of how…