…intense that they were actually visibly present and others stretched out over thousands and thousands of years. I used to say to people, to Dennis even a couple of years after coming back from the Amazon, I said you know the way I see the world is not…

…listened to true hallucinations with a great deal of interest but I personally had trouble understanding your description of Dennis, Description of the experiment of La Tourette. What was actually occurring? What? The intercalation of the harveying molecule…

…is finally within modernity's reach. During this sleepless period, I sat one night on this laundry rock below the police house where Dennis was incarcerated, and he was more or less incarcerated because he refused to keep his clothes on and anything put in…

…difficulty in the psychedelic dimension, of having an evil one. Yes, you know don Fidel Mosambita. Yes you took me there you and Dennis Oh that's right yes this was an ayahuasca very accomplished, and kat and I lived with him for many weeks in 1976 and…

…skull to our torso in adult human beings is a fetal ratio when compared to other primates and I'm fascinated by the question and Dennis and I got into an argument in our hotel room last because we both spoke at a conference a week ago where I said…

…gave them the edge up. This is Robert Anton Wilson. Robert you want to make a statement? Bob hi hi, say hi to Dennis. Hi Dennis, Another age of navigation we're going to navigate out into the master of chaos, me and Terrence, the shaman, spelled with…

…them the edge up. This is Robert Anton Wilson. Robert you want to make a statement? Bob hi hi, say hi to Dennis. Hi Dennis, Another age of navigation we're going to navigate out into the master of chaos, me and Terrence, the shaman, spelled with an x,…

…mean I just always have no I think I'm pretty healthy and fairly ordinary. It's a somewhat sensitive question because at one point Dennis claimed that the only thing that would ever happen to me was that my hair would get white and I'm waiting for some…

…experience. Well maybe we should but anyway we're going to have to go to a guy who looks clearly. At the traffic mark Dennis is going to tell us about and chief that's because we have this very high resolution video graphics monitor here the only one…

…want to put forth, which is the product of many people's thought on the subject, not the least of which is my brother Dennis, and I've developed the idea in conversations with Rupert Sheldrake and kat and Ralph Metzner and other people over the years is…

…intense that basically I'm still spilling off it I haven't had to have my gas tank refilled since March of 71. Dennis is a molecular chemist neurologist, drug designer and he works for aveda corporation in Minneapolis. People imagine that there's a great…

…in there but it was not a trip for ukuhei, it was a different trip to a different part of the Amazon. But then in 1980, Dennis and I my brother Dennis and I and wade Davis, had an opportunity to ship out and I don't want to say too much about this…

…not a trip for ukuhei, it was a different trip to a different part of the Amazon. But then in 1980, Dennis and I my brother Dennis and I and wade Davis, had an opportunity to ship out and I don't want to say too much about this but with a very…

…your graduate students are doing work in the Amazon, we would be pleased to facilitate your work in any way possible. Blah blah. And Dennis was at that moment about to get his PhD and wade was in the same circumstance, he was at Harvard, Dennis was at…

…And Dennis was at that moment about to get his PhD and wade was in the same circumstance, he was at Harvard, Dennis was at University of British Columbia. So we thought: great, amazing, fortuitous, we'll go down. We had visions of drinking aperitifs at…

…need? And they always referred to us as the scientists. They said: we want to be of service to you scientists. Well, you know Dennis Wade and I, we had hair and beards down to our ass. Wade had brought some girl with him named edipie turner, and we…

…bodies, a fluid whose ontological status is far from clear? That's what I mean by: you can't tell whether it's real or not. Dennis, in the early in 1970, came across a reference to this in some piece of literature. I confess that I have occasionally…

…it as uncontaminated information from a deep forest informant. So what is it is a reasonable question for curious people to ask. Dennis, who tends these days to rein himself in somewhat, back in the early 70s was always willing to run the speculative…

…sure. Well give me a moment here. So one of the things that we were investigating when we went to la charrera Dennis believed that the importance of chanting in this amazonian shamanism was that acoustical sound was being used as a driver to synergize…

…true that many people taking harmine in its pure form and taking ayahuasca report a hum. It's a characteristic of the intoxication. Dennis claimed that this was actually the electron spin resonance signal of the harmine. So when we got to la charrera, and…

…structure and since we had nothing better to do in the evenings, why not, was my attitude. So the experiment was performed and Dennis went bananas for about three weeks and we had all kinds of peculiar adventures. But one of the things that happened was…

…out it's there and it is fully active so I don't know what to make of people who don't get the connection at all. Dennis and I have discussed this and it's possible in fact see so little is known about all this even hardware stuff, stuff that schools…

…intense that they were actually visibly present and others stretched out over thousands and thousands of years. I used to say to people, to Dennis even a couple of years after coming back from the Amazon, I said you know the way I see the world is not…

…to true hallucinations. There's a great deal of interest in them. I personally had trouble understanding your description of Dennis, Description of the experiment of La Tourette what was actually occurring with the intercalation of the harveying molecule into…

…make an advertisement to play on this station, Terence. Why should anybody want to bother to come to see your kid brother, Dennis? Oh, Dennis is a wonderful chemist and conversationalist and he knows the facts of the matter. I present the song and dance…

…advertisement to play on this station, Terence. Why should anybody want to bother to come to see your kid brother, Dennis? Oh, Dennis is a wonderful chemist and conversationalist and he knows the facts of the matter. I present the song and dance routine…

…neurophysiology. Well I have a little synchronicity report here for you now. Um, that might be it March the 1st 1971. Dennis reported his experience of buzzing inside his head, right, very interesting so today is March the 1st 1993 and you're surrounded…

…tape that would involve DMT DMT initiated hyperdimensional molecule you talked about so that you would create this buzzing sound like Dennis did where he's but you talked about in your book you mean cell the hypercarbolation, yeah right actually create that…

…all over the land they might, because something about the hypercarbolation thing seems to demand this 21 day long freak out as Dennis exhibited, but you feel as though he'd rather not talk about it yeah of course he makes his living as a straight…

…studio is Terence McKenna a specialist in shamanistic traditions and also hallucinogens. Terence is the co author with his brother Dennis of psilocybin the magic mushroom grower's guide, and also the invisible landscape, time, hallucinogens and the I Ching. In…

…McKenna, a specialist in shamanistic cultures and hallucinogenic plants and drugs. Terrence is the co author with his brother Dennis of the invisible landscape mind, hallucinogens and the I Ching, and also psilocybin the magic mushroom grower's guide. In…

…note in the area of altered states of consciousness and alternative realities. Terence is the co author, with his brother Dennis, of the invisible landscape and also psilocybin the magic mushroom grower's guide. He is a founding member of botanical…

…think that what this teaching that came out of this experience in the Amazon was all about was it was a totality symbol. Dennis had thought that the flying saucer would emerge out of his body as a spinning violet disk of translinguistic matter that would…

…want to put forth, which is the product of many people's thought on the subject, not the least of which is my brother Dennis, and I've developed the idea in conversations with Rupert Sheldrake and kat and Ralph Metzner and other people over the years is…

…depth and breadth of a truly intense psychedelic experience. It is, however, extremely mercurial and difficult to catch at work. Dennis and I, through a staggered description of our visions noticed a similarity of content that seemed to suggest a telepathic…

…the REST of the story, with a few flashbacks and some philosophical musing on the content deals with a series of ideas which Dennis began to develop based around the question: do you know what we could do with this stuff? And then he proceeded to answer…

…said yes but it worked and driven by the thought that there may be someone who will read this book who is far smarter than Dennis or I, then all the details must be here. If you want to read it as an adventure story that's fine you just skip over…

…teacher. Everything was able to communicate to me its essence. But what was bringing me down in this situation was that Dennis Condition was creating a huge wave of accusation and confusion in our small expedition. Some people thought he should be airlifted…

…after this it became clear that the restful sleep I had imagined we had all shared had been anything but that. From Dennis, still disorganized but expansive comments emerged that he had or imagined he had a very active night. Upon close questioning it…

…25 years traveling the planet studying shamanism and what he calls the ethno pharmacology of spiritual transformation. With his brother Dennis he is the author of the invisible landscape and psilocybin the magic mushroom grower's guide. A talking book version…

…in rippingly good fictional style of that expedition to the Amazon and the consequences that flowed from it. As to what Dennis is doing these days, he's a drug designer and pharmacologist working for shaman pharmaceuticals south of San Francisco. A hellish…

…foods. You've been an explorer of mind and oftentimes we've had gatherings with you when you've, you and your brother Dennis have talked about different chemicals and how altered states of consciousness are evidently essential historically for human beings and…

…generating states of equilibrium and good health from it so we have some land in Hawaii and are working with my brother Dennis, and trying to bring as many psychoactive plants together there as we possibly can to grow them, to have sufficient biomass so…

…best thing I think it's our best thing, really, yeah and umm for people who don't know, that was uh Terence and his brother Dennis both wrote that book originally in the mid 70s if I'm not mistaken. Right, and maybe we should talk about the book in a…

…to that? I know this is a critique. You get a lot from people at your talks. Well I enjoy discussing these things with Dennis whether in person or merely in the third person. Um, when he says that it's not about getting in touch with aliens it's…

…going to be mediated through the self. The self stands in the first position. I don't think there is any great difference between Dennis and I on these positions, although I agree that it often sounds like it. I enjoy putting us together privately or in…

…of some sort. I personally am in awe of it, the notion of what is exactly meant here. I view my career and Dennis Career as pointers toward a new style of thinking about mind and organism and pharmacology that combines the rigor of science with the…

…Pergamon harmala p e g a m u n pergamon harmala in the zygophyllaceae. Well we never tried the experiment again because Dennis felt that he'd really made the maximum contribution to the effort. There are many experiments, though which could be tried which…

…into DNA. So yeah there are a lot of different things like that that could be done that wouldn't put anyone at risk. So Dennis really felt that he was at risk in a very serious way. Well he doesn't remember it very clearly. His impression was that it…

…forth with from that. My god well let's stop talking about it and start talking about it with him. Yeah he's right there. Hey Dennis, Jeff you got this whole podcasting thing down tell him why he's here. Dr McKenna, as far as why you're here, because I…

…day you get to talk with people that are as crazy as you are. That's right. Well there you go there it is. But seriously Dennis we want to thank you so very much for coming on and taking time out to talk with us this evening and it's been awesome…

…of the mountain where the effects are less and less noticeable each wave that comes up. So I mean I was pretty amazed to hear Dennis say that you can sit in your room and somebody brings the door like dominoes you know, oh let me get that hold on a…

…feed them after midnight so it's all that kind of stuff. And it's the way the voice is related when I had the conversation with Dennis on the phone, I mean the way he was talking and just the demeanor of the voice and the personality and all of that…

…freedom. Yeah, I want to ask you something about the experiences you had when you talked about the physical landscape, the sound of Dennis. Could you talk a little bit about the sound that Dennis made? And I would also like to know what your views are…

…you had when you talked about the physical landscape, the sound of Dennis. Could you talk a little bit about the sound that Dennis made? And I would also like to know what your views are on reproducing the sound of general consumption. Well, Dennis had…

…that Dennis made? And I would also like to know what your views are on reproducing the sound of general consumption. Well, Dennis had this idea, which is on some levels fairly conventional, that you can use sound to pump energy into a chemical system,…

…see why, but here's an incident that happened at La Charrera that didn't make it into the invisible landscape, I don't believe. Dennis had this notion of what he called the good shit. This developed in the days after the ideas about hypercarbolation. And…

…before the whole workshop ends up. One of them is if you could talk a little bit about the tone that you and Dennis used to intercalate tritomy molecules in DNA, how you decided to use it, that particular tone, if it's occurred again in your life,…

…He was going to pass it on to nickels. I assume that's what happened I don't know. I'll bring it back to Dennis we were experimenting with a standard solution and dosing it with micro pipettes down to the microgram literally. We started smoking the…

…that correctly? Well let me background it. The question relates to an incident told about in both my book with Dennis Invisible landscape and in true hallucination that creatively agitated under the influence of mushrooms, announced that he could do something…

…whatsoever. So where are the memories? Well there are a number of theories, but there is nothing more than theory at this point. Dennis said let's assume nature is conservative for a moment. We know that nature stores protein code in DNA and we know that…

…the difference between life and death. As an example of the latter I've told this story before, but one time years ago Dennis and a girlfriend of his went up into the mountains behind Boulder and they took argyria nervosa, a Hawaiian Baby. Wood rose…

…most aggressive known to science known to science, yes yes. So one of the godsends of this situation was that my brother Dennis was here. He's a professional pharmacologist and drug designer so he could ask the questions, ask the hard questions really push…

…my colleague and sometimes it's my Jewish Godfather and sometimes it is my. What Jung called the soror mystica or what my brother Dennis called the soror mistress it is, you know has this erotic connotation to it. But this is all part of the picture and…

…we began to discover what the order of nature actually is and it took the form of an idea, which was which my brother Dennis Who's the pharmacologist of the gang although he wasn't at the time he has gone on to become the person he most was before…

…superconducting. So if you can cool a molecule to that level, it will immediately bond permanently to whatever is physically nearby. So Dennis said what you do is you take all these, you saturate your body with these drug molecules and then, using a…

…I had been thinking, my hands had built a fire out. Of small sticks. It was as though everything was cognitive activity. Dennis went what would be conventionally called a psychotic episode, but it wasn't a typical psychotic episode it was a kind of…

…voice or is this your natural? You just hear this voice whenever. Well it's sort of you know we talked last night about Dennis had this notion that he could bond these molecules in permanently and you know everybody gets you only get to be one person…

…it's now what lies behind such raving as this. Can this coffee really be that strong Terrence? When you were in the jungle and Dennis had his 14 day psychotic episode or whatever it was, did he take the same drug that you did? Did you both do the…

…strategy, along with the millions that are being spent in other ways to work on this problem and in fact from my brother Dennis Who's at NIMH We've obtained seeds of a number of these immune stimulating plants and are growing them out in Hawaii. The…

…Who's at NIMH We've obtained seeds of a number of these immune stimulating plants and are growing them out in Hawaii. The mention of Dennis causes me to think I should tell you, Dennis. And his wife sheila, had their first child just a week ago. So the…

…of these immune stimulating plants and are growing them out in Hawaii. The mention of Dennis causes me to think I should tell you, Dennis. And his wife sheila, had their first child just a week ago. So the tradition will not die. This is not yet a…

…discussion. Most of the samples that Jonathan discussed this afternoon were actually collected by Cass and myself in 76 and then Dennis wrote that picture using those samples and some that he had obtained earlier that year. They all most all, came from…

…was something that was up to one of Terence's Family members to disclose, and not us. And so it was an incredible gift that Dennis made when he allowed Bruce and me to read some excerpts from his book, which will be coming out this fall and which will…

…might read that. But the key thing is we're going to be reading some. I'm going to read through some excerpts from Dennis McKenna's upcoming book, and the book is called brothers of the screaming abyss. It's a wonderful project it was funded by…

…the inner sanctum, completing the true hero's journey to healing and wholeness. Shinola shifts to shit and the existential crisis accelerates. Dennis to Terrence: is it time to pause for a re evaluation? Terrence hits the gas on his forward escape as…

…take this all with a grain of salt what happened at lacher we were kids we've grown up et Cetera Et Cetera. But this is where Dennis is starting to come out and this is all in the public. It was for the special issue and it's been out 15 16 years…

…years but we'll have to turn the volume down a bit. But this is where the unraveling is sort of coming, starting with Dennis. A guy who can pack the houses every time I feel has a larger responsibility to the psychedelic community to refrain from making…