…unconscious. I mean, people just thought what they thought and let the chips fall where they may. And every once in a while, a Christ or a Mohammed or a Buddha would come along and reshuffle the deck, and then the game would play on. But we are coming…

…in faith. I don't believe in belief. My favorite gospel story is the story of the apostle Thomas, who was not present when Christ came the first time after the resurrection to the upper room. And then later Thomas came to the apostles, and they said,…

…and they said, the master has been here. And he said, you guys have been smoking too much of that red lead. And then Christ came again. But in this conversation with the apostles, Thomas said, unless I put my hand into the wound, I will not believe…

…with the apostles, Thomas said, unless I put my hand into the wound, I will not believe it. And then time passed, and then Christ came again to the upper room, and he said, Thomas, come forward. Put your hand into the wound. And he did. And then he…

…DMT does none of this. You go to that place with all your groceries. You're there and you're there thinking, Jesus H. Fucking Christ, what is this? What is it? And you're thinking, I must be dead. I've done it this time. The psychedelic mantra, I've…

…what they had in Saskatchewan. So we were all the Senate benefactories of elves insights. And it's when, my understanding is, when Christ was carrying the cross, he fell, and Veronica wiped his brow with her handkerchief. And then it was the. And then the…

…wiped his brow with her handkerchief. And then it was the. And then the next day, on the handkerchiefs went the image of Christ and this awesome painter called St. Veronica Dale. And most powerful thing, we used it every session. When they used it with…

…I'm not ready for that. And so finally, thank God, I looked at it, and it was an overpowering experience to experience what Christ love is. And I was astounded. I was absolutely astounded. So that worked for me. And I thought, if it works for me,…

…to get a connection to the logos because it spoke the truth. Well, Philo Judeas, who happened to be an exact contemporary of Christ, born before, died after, wrote a whole 15 volumes of commentary on the syncretic religions of his day. And at one point…

…the New York Times and the London observer are as much tabloids as the trashiest and sleaziest of the alien abduction, Christ scene at the supermarket, Elvis at prayer kind of thing. Because necessarily so, because the New York Times must be understood…

…the societal struggle to come to terms with itself, to discipline itself, to instill, instill values in Schizophrenic. The place where Christ meditated the night before he gave himself up to the roman soldiery. So it's a metaphor for, it's called the agony…

…mention the post? Oh, yeah. There's hard and soft visions of it. For example? Well, a very soft vision, meaning not requiring Christ and the angelic host to land on the south lawn of the White House would be. Suppose people just started behaving…

…is that we're on a collision course with something that we cannot model or imagine at this point. And it's possible to call it Christ triumphant, if that's what you want to call it. Or it's possible to call it the end of the world. Or it's possible to…

…unconscious. I mean, people just thought what they thought and let the chips fall where they may. And every once in a while, a Christ or a mohammed or a Buddha would come along and reshuffle the deck, and then the game would play on. But we are coming…

…depression, that sort of thing. Well, so what you're saying is it will come like a thief in the night, unannounced. This is what Christ told Nicodemus. He said, I will come like a thief in the light. No man will know the moment of my coming. Blake…

…That almost sounds hallucinatory, like a look back toward paradise or something like that. Well, in a sense, one way of analyzing Christ, if we keep pretty much to the strict orthodoxy and accept the gospels and so forth, is it's a he. He represents…

…in one of the gospels where the three Marys, Mary the mother of James, Mary Magdalene and the other one go to the tomb and Christ is standing outside the tomb and one of the women starts toward him and he says, touch me not, for I am not yet…

…And what Wordsworth called intimations of immortality haunt time like a ghost. And so if you're a Buddha, a mahavira, a Christ, a mohammed, you get essentially, again, it's a geometric theory. You are simply geometrically positioned vis a vis the object at…

…using only the rear view mirror. And that's sort of what we do. But then each one of us, you see, we are like Christ and Buddha and Mahavira. We also have a perspective on the transcendental object at the end of time, on the divine. And we work…

…southern white boy esque that's attempting to be created. But when that's all over and the hard lesson is learned that Christ himself couldn't write the american government as presently constituted, then I think we'll get down to a more serious dialogue. It…

…you're a demo urge, who can hurry? Okay, go ahead. Okay, so the time splitting event had to do with the career of Christ, who was an extraordinary manifestation of energy in the historical time stream, not to be confused with a Buddha or a Mohammed or…

…this other place came into being without having any awareness that. And they were identical. At that moment, these two worlds. Now, Christ had no children, so. Oh, what I forgot to say was that the event, the fractal soliton of improbability, has this…

…the same, except that in one of them, the immaculate Conception had not taken place or the resurrection had not taken place. Now, because Christ had no children in the world in which he was absent, it was not a genetic line which was missing. It was an…

…of civilization than the one that we inherited. Ive always thought, you know, that Christianity, without making any judgment about Christ himself, that Christianity is hands down the single most reactionary force in all of human history. And where would we…

…think of that? I mean, I'm not sure I've thought of that before. You know, it's the claim of christian theologians that Christ comes in the center of history. They speak this same language. Before Christ, no souls were entering heaven. He freed the valve,…

…you will recall that after the crucifixion, this is a good place to end. This is an alchemical story. After the crucifixion, Christ appeared to the apostles in the upper room in Jerusalem 40 days after. And Thomas was not there. I don't know where…

…was with us. And he said, unless I put my hand into the wound, I will not believe it. So then time passed, and then Christ came again to the apostles, and Thomas was among them on this second get go. And Christ walked in and kicked off his overshoes…

…it. So then time passed, and then Christ came again to the apostles, and Thomas was among them on this second get go. And Christ walked in and kicked off his overshoes and looked around the room and he said, Thomas, come forward, put your hand into the…

…first or at least in this case the Jewish Greeks or the Greek Jews because in Philo Judea who was a contemporary of Christ There's a discussion of what he calls the more perfect logos and he says: the more perfect logos will be apprehended through…

…I mean in other words the last minutia of existence was controlled by these hidden forces. Right he had monkeys who had Christ incarnate and they traveled with animals I mean monkeys dogs kittens and they insisted that all the animals be vegetarian. So…

…know were twisted and scrupulous and their eyes are going around in circles and he's telling: you know this is voodoo this is Christ this is Hitler. It wasn't actually this nuts I'm exaggerating for purposes but it was you know in his own head it was…

…So we arrive right in this town where no one ever comes one hotel we arrive see it with koa the kali who is Christ Ron Rinello the kitten who is buddha who has scurvy several monkeys of several species Sarah Hartley with 150 tons of camera equipment…

…were set off. You know the golden age of periclean Athens here the simultaneous appearance of caesar Augustus and jesus Christ One of the greatest religious reformers and greatest empire builders the history has ever known. They were contemporaries of each…

…December 22nd 2012 AD. Well, why? The mayan civilization collapsed in the 870s it arose in the 1st and 2nd century before Christ well into its own calendrical cycle, and perished well before the end of its own calendrical cycle. Why were the mayans into…

…news. So it always has to do with the scale and the frame. You know, stubbing your toe can be novel. The resurrection of Christ, if it happened was novel. It always has to do with scale, frame and point of view. Everything depended on the thing ending…

…saying: you know, maybe there will be a great change but I just can't buy that the earth will disappear instantly or that Christ Triumphant will appear in an angelic horde and descend to judge the living and the dead. I mean this just beggars the…

…amount of it he proclaimed the eminent end of the world. He felt that you know when you have dope this good can Christ be far behind and he urged other people, friends of his alchemical colleagues, to also experiment with this which they did very…

…historical time and place, and then they come back with a story about what it is. Buddha says this, Mohammed says this, Christ says this these are lower dimensional slices of this transcendental object at the end of history. What it is cannot be known.…

…is interesting to me because I was surprised that Muhammad got such a steep fall. One of the great events of human history Christ is nothing like this. Then my New York Editor for Lyle Stewart sent me a book that his company publishes called the 100.…

…scientists continue confoundment. It's the confounding of science that is the purpose of the UFO. Now what was the purpose of Christ in the judeo hellenic context? It was the confoundment of roman rationalism and imperialism. Here was a society that had…

…and maybe other schools I don't know, call compensatory material. In other words the system attempts to right itself, and so Christ, as the transubstantient man god, was something the Greco Roman world could not swallow, and instead it choked to death on…

…being the theology worked out in the generation after the apostles people like Tertullian, Origen, Justinian. These people, the mission of Christ left many questions unanswered and of course one of them was this promise made: amen amen I say unto you this…

…of the Jews that finds its focus in the notion of the messiah and of course for the heterodox Jews who became Christians, Christ was this entry into history of the divinity and then the Jews that remained orthodox they prefer to hang on for yet another…

…that means a thousand is taken from a passage in the apocalypse in this particular book of revelations, where it is said that Christ comes and reigns for a thousand years and all that just reigned with him, and after that the devil is bound, and after…

…the whole human community and that tells us something as to what to do today. You see, to what degree do you think Christ was millenarian and apocalyptic? For instance, this saying I quoted: amen, amen I say to you this generation shall not pass away.…

…way that when it comes you will have done the right thing. I think that's the most important message for us today. Did Christ Specifically teach the resurrection of the body and is that why there was this expectation of his return. He did not teach the…

…I mean one millennia, five millennia, choose the number. Experience has been hierarchically distributed in human society from the top you get a Christ or a Hitler or a pope or it's a leader of some sort or a visionary and then the exegesis of the vision…

…You all remember in the brothers karamasov the story that Ilya or one of them tells about how during the inquisition Christ Miraculously appears on earth and he visits. He goes to visit the grand inquisitor and then this convertisation takes place between…

…on earth and he visits. He goes to visit the grand inquisitor and then this convertisation takes place between them and the inquisitor. And Christ says: do you know who I am? And the inquisitor says: yes I know who you are we don't want it, we've got…

…abstract that sounds hallucinatory, like a look back toward Paradise or something like that. Well in a sense one way of analyzing Christ if we keep pretty much to the strict orthodoxy and accept the gospels and so forth is he presents a shamanic figure…

…in one of the gospels where the three marys Mary the mother of James, Mary Magdalene and the other one go to the tomb and Christ is standing outside the tomb and one of the women starts toward him and he says: for I am not yet completely of the…

…very similar in tone to the build up of messianic expectation in the hellenistic world in the several centuries preceding the birth of Christ. The leaders of roman Society may have been caught off guard by the appearance of Christ but they had no one to…

…centuries preceding the birth of Christ. The leaders of roman Society may have been caught off guard by the appearance of Christ but they had no one to blame but themselves, since millions of people in the ancient world were expectantly awaiting some…

…with a metal knife. The tiny minutiae of existence were controlled by these hidden forces. He had monkeys that were Christ incarnate. Sia traveled with animals: monkeys, dogs, kittens, parrots. He insisted that all the animals be vegetarian, so the animals…

…the animals were twisted and unhealthy their eyes were going around in circles and he was telling me: this is buddha, this is Christ this is Hitler. It was not actually this demented. I exaggerate to give the flavor, but in Sia's head I'm sure it was…

…The entire process could take less than a month. If this seems a short time, recall that the entire public career of Christ lasted only three years. Christ's Career occurred in a world where information could move no faster than a horse's gallop. Yet…

…to a mushroom. His book the sacred mushroom and the cross is, makes the case that there never was a person named jesus Christ that the entire gospel story is a set of very carefully worded religio political documents that were drafted around a d70 to…

…and what they did is they named their sacrament after an imaginary religious reformer who had lived a generation earlier who was Christ and I don't think that allegro's case is nearly as convincing, but his labor of collecting mushroom words in the old…

…for the cultural situation and send a force which will turn it upside down. For roman imperialism the flying saucer was jesus Christ. They had been expecting him for centuries a messiah to arise out of the tribes of Judea and there were people who…

…of the race that will look for all the world like a starship from another solar system in the same way that jesus Christ looked for all the world like god made man. It's that the superego has this unique ability to know the weaknesses of the…

…a pitiless historical mechanism because I don't want to live in one of those worlds where we all study the words of Christ or a flying saucer I don't like these ideologically monolithic periods in history where everyone is so sure they have the answer…

…wrote back and he said: no religions deal with the great questions of man's origin and his destiny. This is a cult of Christ. And you know of course this is very controversial to say today but I think Suetonius got it pretty close to right. And…

…is not a religion. Religions are concerned with the great issues of cosmic fate and cosmic destiny. This is a cult of Christ, It's a cult of personality and this was actually the earliest take on Christianity by non Christians and I think examined fairly.…

…far does he like it Terrence here? Does he like it Giotto or it's nice of the tile, Terrence here, sort of like a Greco Christ. There was a young gaucho named Bruno who said about sex, there is one thing I do know: women are fine and boys are…

…the precession of the equinoxes. It was discovered by is it Archimedes. Anyway it was discovered in the second century before Christ in the West, I see that Kim Malville's group excavating in the Southern Sudan this year discovered a Stonehenge like ruin…

…wrinkle. There will be more and more of this stuff as we approach the moment of concrescence and people in the past Christ Buddha you name them. These are people who literally stood in a correct geometrical relationship to the transcendental object at the…

…was just dumb luck, that's all. They were not Superior people. I'm sure that if you could enter into the mind of Christ as he went around galilee performing his miracles the main thing which preoccupied his inner circumlocution was the question: why me?…

…to a mushroom. His book the sacred mushroom and the cross is, makes the case that there never was a person named jesus Christ that the entire gospel story is a set of very carefully worded religio political documents that were drafted around 8070 to hide…

…and what they did is they named their sacrament after an imaginary religious reformer who had lived a generation earlier who was Christ and I don't think that allegro's case is nearly as convincing but his labor of collecting mushroom words in the old…

…in American History. Yeah, a lot of people would include, along with the Italian Renaissance and the Greek Golden age the birth of Christ as one of those points where the graph should do something, and I noticed we skipped over that. I'd just be curious…

…be curious to see what it looked like in zero. Okay well we can go back to it. You're quite right, the life of Christ is very interesting because, of course Christ is Christ, but he lived simultaneously during the reign of one of the greatest civil and…

…in zero. Okay well we can go back to it. You're quite right, the life of Christ is very interesting because, of course Christ is Christ, but he lived simultaneously during the reign of one of the greatest civil and military reformers of all time I mean…

…Okay well we can go back to it. You're quite right, the life of Christ is very interesting because, of course Christ is Christ, but he lived simultaneously during the reign of one of the greatest civil and military reformers of all time I mean Christ…

…is Christ, but he lived simultaneously during the reign of one of the greatest civil and military reformers of all time I mean Christ lived in the era of augustinian Rome. So it's a tremendous era of novelty. I can tell you what's going on. Remember how…

…job, returns home. This is no headline no one is interested in this but you know alien mom 9 gives birth to dead Christ. Now this is extraordinary and resonates in many people's minds and you know if there were corroborative evidence it would move around…

…doesn't go away, it's stable, and you think, oh god, you take your pulse your pulse is all right and you're just like jesus Christ I've done it this time and meanwhile these. Things are doing what they do and what they do is they make objects out of…

…we have now has nothing to do with it. I mean this is as much jeffersonian democracy as you know Jimmy swaggart is jesus Christ. What we have is a mediocrity not mediocre but media driven. I mean the idea that we hold fair elections in an atmosphere…

…then the way to do it is to look within, and for centuries this has been called having a relationship with god or Christ. Now these kind of control languages seem to carry a lot of unpleasant freight along. So without judging what it is, you just…

…off reflections the transcendental event at the end of history sends distorted reflections of itself, ricocheting backward through time. And a Christ, a buddha, a John Smith, a Charles Manson, an Adolf Hitler these are people who were hit by a distorted…

…in consciousness so that practically every person was connected up into an infinite field of consciousness. That was basically love, that was Christ, that was the messiah. It wasn't in the sky it was on earth we still had trees and we were surfing. I…

…and some of you who are students of the ancient literature may know Philo Judeus, hellenistic alexandrine jew absolute contemporary of Christ born before, died after and in one of his treatises on the logos which he was always talking about, Philo Judeus…

…like that, this idea of the ensoulment or of the embodiment of the word. What does it mean? Is mankind the word? Is Christ the word? Probably the answer to that question is both and but. The incarnate logos, the world as information it's very mantric.…

…speaks from that consciousness with the assurance of the truth of it right now. That's what I think. Why all this business of a Christ figure? I mean I see what a seductive it is but how we we've gotten very cynical because we projected into such a…

…his head and he revived and joined the dance. This is the resurrection I mean Tim Finnegan is very clearly for Joyce a Christ figure. And here is then the first evocation of Tim Finnegan. The fall, then the viconian thunder, of a once wall straight old…

…won't be changed and people are not very demanding. You give people the four term governor of Arkansas and they think that Christ is healing in the marketplace. That's how pathetic the liberal position in America has become that it can embrace someone like…

…the great pyramids were built in about 2790, roughly there. Here's where homer sang his song um the Greek Renaissance is here, uh Christ and caesar Augustus is here. The fall of Rome in 475 is roughly there. See what it's showing us that from the fall…

…bar balls that they put in clubs that are covered with mirrors that then send light around well, if you're a buddha, a Christ, a Charles Manson, Somebody or other what it means is that you simply were an ordinary person who got zapped by a reflection…

…touch. I always like my favorite story in the gospel is the story of Thomas the doubter because remember, he wasn't present when Christ came to the upper room the first time after the crucifixion. And so then Thomas came a couple of days later and the…

…you guys have been smoking too much of these little brown cigarettes from Lebanon. We saw him crucified he wasn't here. Well so then Christ came a second time and Thomas was present and he had said he said unless I put my hand into the wound I will…

…and Thomas was present and he had said he said unless I put my hand into the wound I will not believe it. And so then Christ came the second time and he said to Thomas he said Thomas, come forward. He said put your hand into the wound. And then he…

…this transcendental object and at greater and lesser distances are all the people who have ever lived and if you are a buddha, a Christ a Mohammed, a guru, somebody or other and you are what that means is that you have been struck by a scintilla of…

…essence into your being and now you must act it out and I would bet you that if you could step into the mind of a Christ on the road to calvary or a buddha preaching at sarnath what you would discover going on in the personal part of the mind is…

…because you get burned at the stake for it I don't know but we'll see. But I thought it was very interesting. If Christ had never existed, what would have been lost? And I don't ask this facetiously obviously no genetic line of descent would have been…

…what would have been lost? And I don't ask this facetiously obviously no genetic line of descent would have been lost because Christ had no children unless you belong to the tiny faction of French Occultists who believe that Charles De Gaulle and you know…

…leave that aside. I believe that you know no genetic line of transmission is then absent. What would have been absent had Christ never existed would have been the idea of Christianity. And so then under the guidance and production values of psilocybin, I…

…giggle had shown up at the bachelor party of science to spoil the bash. In the same way that the resurrection of Christ posed a tremendous problem for the intellectuals of late roman antiquity, because they had no place in their world view for someone…

…what we're doing? I'm not sure. I believe it's in Matthew when the women come to the tomb on Easter Morning looking for Christ now I think the two annes and Margaret It's. Mary Magdalene comes first and she's alone I believe, and Christ is there. She…

…Morning looking for Christ now I think the two annes and Margaret It's. Mary Magdalene comes first and she's alone I believe, and Christ is there. She sees him. It is the two margarets who come later and she starts toward Christ because she thought he…

…and she's alone I believe, and Christ is there. She sees him. It is the two margarets who come later and she starts toward Christ because she thought he was dead and she sees him standing by the tomb. She starts toward him and he stops her and he…

…And I've always thought that this was just a fascinating passage, because what is being said here what's going on here? Christ seems to be indicating that though he is now alive he has resurrected, he has come through the crucifixion, nevertheless, in…

…first or at least in this case the Jewish Greeks or the Greek Jews because in Philo Judeus, who was a contemporary of Christ, There's a discussion of what he calls the more perfect logos. And he says the more perfect logos will be apprehended through…

…about the Christos stripped of all the mumbo jumbo what this is about is the mystery of the resurrection the idea that Christ was somehow involved in some kind of crypto biological transformation that was necessary in order to unlock the doors of Paradise…

…had but the conclusions are all wrong. There's an amazing passage in, I think it's luke it's the morning after the entombment of Christ and the three marys Mary the mother of James, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Christ go to the tomb and Christ…

…the morning after the entombment of Christ and the three marys Mary the mother of James, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Christ go to the tomb and Christ is there standing beside the rolled away stone, and one of these women starts toward him and…

…of Christ and the three marys Mary the mother of James, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Christ go to the tomb and Christ is there standing beside the rolled away stone, and one of these women starts toward him and he says: go read it it's right…

…eschatonic precursive reflectivity and a David Koresh. It's a mess it's a very distorted and twisted kind of reflection. A Christ, a buddha, a Mohammed a slightly cleaner shot at what it is but nevertheless horribly distorted and misunderstood by historical…

…influenced by my experiences with DMT. I think that the merkava mystics these were Jews that did inner pilgrimage before the time of Christ. They had a kind of paradox that people have puzzled over about going up to heaven by going down and I think that…

…chariot instead of going up to the chariot which was envisioned in the sky. So these early travelers of the millennium before Christ had brought back this picture which evolved into what we have today under the name of ceremonial magic in the western…

…union of opposites, not a pair of opposites, but all opposites are unified in the eschaton. For Christianity It's the second coming of Christ. For Buddhism it is shunyata. For Islam it is the coming of the imam. For the jains it's the return of the…

…conditions support your activity so that you become a mean spreader then you're suddenly a messiah, a teacher, a buddha, a Christ, a Mohammed. That's what these people were. They were people who were, for reasons mysterious to themselves I'm sure, in a…

…in faith, I don't believe in belief. My favorite gospel story is the story of the apostle Thomas, who was not present when Christ came the first time after the resurrection to the upper room and then later Thomas came to the apostles and they said: the…

…and they said: the master has been here. And he said: you guys have been smoking too much of that red lead. And then Christ came again. But in this conversation with the apostles Thomas said: unless I put my hand into the wound I will not believe it.…

…with the apostles Thomas said: unless I put my hand into the wound I will not believe it. And then time passed and then Christ came again to the upper room and he said: Thomas come forward, put your hand into the wound. And he did and then he…

…first or at least in this case the Jewish Greeks or the Greek Jews because in Philo Judeus, who was a contemporary of Christ There's a discussion of what he calls the more perfect logos. And he says the more perfect logos will be apprehended through…

…them in this textual basis for this fantasy yes is there any idea about the date? Well yeah the at the time of Christ the people who immediately followed Christ expected it within their lifetime. Amen amen I say unto you this generation shall not pass…

…fantasy yes is there any idea about the date? Well yeah the at the time of Christ the people who immediately followed Christ expected it within their lifetime. Amen amen I say unto you this generation shall not pass away until these things are…

…a unique phenomenon in the judeo Christian Tradition. It's in a succession of apocalyptic books which abounded around the time of Christ because many people believed that the end was literally at hand. St John the baptist's message was: repent, for the end…

…the gospels there's these passages of jesus which Terence could easily equate and add to his alimentarium. Is that a Nicodemus what Christ told Nicodemus? No, it's his prophecies in st luke's gospel about when the kingdom of heaven comes, when it will be…

…it. We say, okay well this old testament religion with all this ritual and dietary, this isn't it. So then along comes Christ and tries to fine tune it. But he's working in the most women repressing, male dominator, hierarchical structure on the planet…

…part you know Christianity insists that the world will end and that it will just roll up like a scroll and the triumphant Christ will come to judge the living and the dead. Now why do they believe that? Obviously, apocalypse haunts history like a ghost…

…his letters he talks about the four ages of Christianity as the age of the old testament god which ends with the birth of Christ the second era of Christianity as the era of the sun, the era of the Christos and the third era of Christianity, the age…

…long time very much like a new religion like early Christianity or something. And what is the goal of that? Where is the Christ? That is decentralized altruism, which is the resonance of all the same thing all these people, I don't know how many. 50…

…in the Christian Tradition, the apocalypse that is described in the new testament, where there would be a third coming of Christ in a transformational period lasting a thousand years. So this was, I think millenarianism. It's not only the millennium as for…

…of closure of the roman empire. When you look back into historical time it's when you reach the first and second centuries after Christ that you reach a world whose psychology was very much like the psychology of our own time. It was a psychology of…

…Despair which attends the dissolution of great empires, a literature was created from the first to the fourth centuries after Christ which we call the hermetic corpus or in some cases the trismegistic hymns. Now this body of literature was misunderstood…

…our understanding to make our way back to the Garden, back to Eden. It's occurred to me recently, you know it's said that Christ opened the doors to Paradise. Yes, but he closed the doors to Eden. And Paradise is a very airy place where everybody sits…

…philologists of the early 17th century that definitely the hermetic corpus was composed between the first and second centuries after Christ. The method of the casabons was to examine the philosophical language of the corpus hermeticum and show that there were…

…clicked past a certain point and into the age of pisces and this was then taken as very fortuitous for Christianity because Christ was associated with the sign of the fish and was seen as a piscean movement. But I believe that it's entirely possible…

…I mean one millennia, five millennia choose a number. Experience has been hierarchically distributed in human society from the top you get a Christ or a Hitler or a pope or it's a leader of some sort or a visionary, and then the exegesis of the vision…

…that all sounds hallucinatory, like a look back toward Paradise or something like that. Well in a sense one way of analyzing Christ if we keep pretty much to the strict orthodoxy and accept the gospels and so forth is: he presents a shamanic figure…

…in one of the gospels where the three marys Mary the mother of James, Mary Magdalene and the other one go to the tomb and Christ is standing outside the tomb and one of the women starts toward him and he says: touch me not, for I am not yet…

…and what Wordsworth called intimations of immortality haunt time like a ghost. And so if you're a buddha, a Mahavira, a Christ a Mohammed, you get essentially again it's a geometric theory you are simply geometrically positioned vis a vis the object at…

…future using only the rear view mirror, and that's sort of what we do. But then each one of us you see we are like Christ and buddha and Mahavira. We also have a perspective on the transcendental object at the end of time on the divine, and we work…

…and then how is that related to what we could call the imagination of the cosmic attractor, or god the father or the cosmic Christ for me the mind of the solar system. I think there should always be some physical stuff to hang these things on. The guy…

…emerge in what's called descending and ascending christology. In the first three gospels in the new testament the model is that jesus Christ is born as a child. He's initiated by John the baptist. A new spiritual illumination occurs at the time of his…

…from this neoplatonic thing and by neoplatonic I mean Proclus and Plotinus and those people who came about 500 years late after Christ. Yeah, have you been to Ravenna? That's where they have these mosaics that are because it was basically a theory of…

…will come tangential to history, that there will come a moment where the two things cross paths. And you know for Christianity Christ is that moment and theologians like Karl Barth have described Christ as the axis time they say you know the time leading…

…where the two things cross paths. And you know for Christianity Christ is that moment and theologians like Karl Barth have described Christ as the axis time they say you know the time leading into the resurrection was one thing, the time after the…

…get into heaven they were held in a holding area for several thousand years, from the sin of Adam to the resurrection of Christ. Then Christ's Entry into heaven, all those souls accompanied him and the pipeline was open, and it is open until the last…

…in faith, I don't believe in belief. My favorite gospel story is the story of the apostle Thomas, who was not present when Christ came the first time after the resurrection to the upper room. And then later Thomas came to the apostles and they said: the…

…and they said: the master has been here. And he said: you guys have been smoking too much of that red lab. And then Christ came again. But in this conversation with the apostles Thomas said: unless I put my hand into the wound I will not believe it.…

…with the apostles Thomas said: unless I put my hand into the wound I will not believe it. And then time passed and then Christ came again to the upper room and he said: Thomas, come forward, put your hand into the wound and he did and then he…

…you DMT does none of this. You go to that place with all your groceries, you're there and you're there thinking jesus h fucking Christ what is this, what is it and you're thinking: I must be dead. I've done it this time the psychedelic mantra I've done…

…trailer courts of America. We're told that the antarctic ice cap is about to melt, that planetesimal objects are headed toward earth, that Christ and Elvis were seen arm in arm down at the mall, on and on. Well people say it's the millennium or it's the…

…as it exceeds our ability to control its direction. It actually reveals its real ontos. You know that we are not cattle for Christ, we are not socialist automatons we are not bearers of the genes of the master race. We are none of these squirrely ideas.…

…said what the hell was this? And then the voice fell silent. It fell silent right around the time of the birth of Christ, right at the time of the shift of the zodiacal aeon. Was he considering any difference in phenomenological answers, like you did…

…if we are to try and take it seriously and understand what happened there, then it must be that, first of all if we believe Christ was a real person, then he must have been born in 6 BC, because there was a coniunctio maxima of jupiter and Saturn at…

…means then that the crucifixion would have occurred in 27. Well why is it then that there are no mentions? No mention of Christ can be pushed back later, earlier than AD 69. What was going on between 27 and 69? The gospels are not contemporaneous and…

…paid in taxes, the nickname he had for his dog I mean we have a lot of data on mani. And so why a figure like Christ should be so peculiarly swathed in ambiguity? If it was a real person with these people eager to chronicle it is a little hard to…

…little hard to figure out. Didn't mani have a pretty good religion going in his own lifetime? He had a big organization. Of course Christ just had twelve you know guys, yeah, I mean mani got right with it I mean he cultivated the court, he knew how to…

…history. That electricity was the holy ghost to control and to understand because we can do it. We don't need the second coming of Christ we don't need divine intervention to destroy this planet we can do it well enough on our own thank you. So a huge…

…if hortatory beating on people could have worked then we would have solved all our problems thousands of years ago because buddha and Christ and all these other people, they had the right idea. It's just that ideas don't cut the mustard it has to be an…

…possibility, and this is the way we can fulfill the expectation of Christian Hermeneutics but not require the second coming of Christ or the intercession of god almighty into history or all these other extreme unlikelihoods and to understand it we have to…

…which has been practiced now for about 7 000 years and there have been various corrective measures, all failures. I think Christianity, Christ, the corrective measure somebody who comes and says: don't do it that way and they get rid of him and within 50…

…this. You know the existential theology of soren Kierkegaard. Kierkegaard said the defining relationship in life is an I thou relationship to Christ and the I thou relationship and Martin Buber made a great deal of this as well so it's a profound thing to…

…when you're a demiurge who can hurry okay go ahead, okay. So the time splitting event had to do with the career of Christ, who was an extraordinary manifestation of energy in the historical time stream not to be confused with a buddha or a Mohammed or…

…and this other place came into being without having any awareness and they were identical at that moment, these two worlds, now Christ had no children. So, oh what I forgot to say was that the event, the fractal soliton of improbability has this quantum…

…the same except that in one of them the immaculate conception had not taken place or the resurrection had not taken place. Now because Christ had no children. In the world in which he was absent it was not a genetic line which was missing it was an…

…than the one that we inherited. I've always thought you know, that the that uh Christianity, Without making any judgment about Christ himself, that Christianity is hands down the single most reactionary force in all of human history and where would we be…

…of that? Well I mean I'm not sure I've thought of that before you know it's the claim of Christian Theologians that Christ comes in the center of history. They speak this same language. Before Christ no souls were entering heaven. He freed the valve…

…stronger than the morphic field of the militaristic, aggressive, dominating patriarchal system that started around four to three thousand years before Christ. Because those cultures go back to 20 10 000 20 000, 30 000, 40 000 50 000, right back into the…

…of living in that world. And history really is this process of trying to generate a guiding image that serves. And so someone Christ Mohammed, Buddha will project the guiding image and it gels in the unconscious and becomes a creode and a vast set of…

…dose. You don't take some namby pamby, piddling, testing it out, toe in the water kind of dose because even in the gospel Christ says it's the lukewarm that I vomit out of my mouth. Don't bring me any dilettantes, no dabblers, no drugstore cowboys. So…

…you could almost have a geometric theory of messiahhood and just say, if you were in the big league, the buddha, Christ Muhammad, Mani, Mahavira League then you just caught a very bright reflection from the distant spinning eschaton and then you embodied…

…3 000 or 5 000 years or our civilization. How old is this one? It starts with the Renaissance or the time of Christ, this say in the Renaissance, this particular model, where it's very complicated pantheon of gods and goddesses. I think it could be…

…in a way that you want to educate the society. It's an alchemy society and in a way I guess we learned. For example jesus Christ was one of the first alchemists and the romans tried to make a moke of him because he was saying, you know he was the…

…was igne, and what we learned in chemistry was igne: natura renovatur integra it means that natura is renovated by fire. So what jesus Christ was telling to everybody was that we have an aura, you know like gold and gold in Latin is aureus and what we…

…our soul and become something more purified. I was really interested in that. Well yes I mean you make an interesting point. Christ can be seen in this alchemical context because what he was saying was what I claimed here tonight is the alchemical faith…

…he was saying that man is divine. This doctrine got raked over the coals by the patristic fathers but the career of Christ is very interesting because there does seem to be this Confluence of elements that hint at a transformation that was not simply…

…remember which one it is but after the resurrection, when the marys go to the tomb there's this amazing encounter between the risen Christ and the marys and he actually says: touch me not, woman, for I am not yet completely of the nature of the father…

…the trick, then the Sermon on the Mount would have been the turning of the corner. But we have Buddha, we have Christ, we have these examples of enormously insightful spiritual beings who have delivered their message and humanity has continued to flop on…

…of stuff is the equivalent of taking home a newspaper with a headline that says, Alien Mom 9 Gives Birth to Dead Christ. This is not something people of intellectual integrity involve themselves with. Isn't that a downer, that rap? And it's especially a…

…this is an area where, you know, you see the newspapers being vended at the grocery store. Virgin Mom 9 gives birth to alien Christ. Are we all clear that this is a joke? All of us, including the remedial readers and the people who just got off the…

…living thing that is nevertheless has the character of machinery and objectification. It's a very complex image. in the human mind, with Christ at one end of the spectrum and the universal medicine of longevity at the other end of the spectrum, and then…

…You could almost have a geometric theory of messiahhood and just say, if you were in the big league, the buddha, Christ Mohammed, Mani, Mahavira League then you just caught a very bright reflection from the distant spinning eschaton, and then you embodied…

…of special abilities. I've said many times before and we all heard me say it Philo Judeus, who was an exact contemporary of Christ, born before, died after, was on a bug about what he called the more perfect logos and he said the more perfect logos…

…are unseen, unknown. I mean to take as simple an object in physics as the electron it seems more remote than the resurrected Christ to me. And yet by invoking those notions we then created them in order to try and find further and further particles. We…

…mushroom and the cross, trying to say that Christianity itself was a mushroom cult, in fact going much further than that, saying that Christ himself was in fact no person at all but a code, a system of coded epigrams for a mushroom. His case is harder…

…This is why I always my favorite person in the new testament is uh is Thomas the doubter because if you will recall, uh Christ Uh returned to the apostles were gathered in the upper room and Christ came to them I think on the fortieth day but Thomas…

…uh is Thomas the doubter because if you will recall, uh Christ Uh returned to the apostles were gathered in the upper room and Christ came to them I think on the fortieth day but Thomas was not there. So then, later, and then Christ went away and so…

…were heavy hitters in the male heavy hitters in the psychedelic movement. It may just be that some people can't be saved, that Christ himself couldn't lift some people out of chaos. I haven't had that experience. I mean I think that well I think it…

…salvation. Because I don't think we can fix ourselves through rhetoric. If we could fix ourselves through rhetoric, then buddha and Christ would have done the job. We can only fix ourselves by consciously analyzing our dilemma and then intervening and I…

…by the fall of our first parents. And we can be redeemed this is I'm giving you the Christian rap we can be redeemed through Christ but we don't deserve it. If you are saved, it is because there is a kind of a hand extended to you from a merciful…

…one of the fathers of the early church, one of the patristic writers that's that generation of theologians that followed Christ who canonized the Christian Religion. And he placed Hermes Trismegistus as older than moses, older than Pythagoras, Older than…

…was looking at the stars and it occurred to him these things are suns these little points of light are like the sun, jesus Christ, and in a single moment the universe became infinite and he said: if these are suns and his mind was boggled literally can…

…of the empire. It would have been a shtick of some sort and there's nothing. Nothing only this reference in the whole story of Christ. Well you know weird, okay so then you move on. The assumption is that Christ was born in 6 BC under the conjunctio…

…only this reference in the whole story of Christ. Well you know weird, okay so then you move on. The assumption is that Christ was born in 6 BC under the conjunctio maximus of jupiter and Saturn. That place is, if you believe the gospels that he…

…people to believe in ufos permits them to believe in the eminent expectation of the second coming or, you know the Face of Christ appearing on tortillas and all of this stuff. Terrence, may I stop here for a second. Is there a lot of people still…

…tremendous challenge to science perhaps the ultimate challenge to it. It may be as confounding to science as the resurrection of Christ was to Greek Empiricism and roman imperialism. In other words the flying saucer is definitely an agent of cultural change.…

…I'm interested in rare and high dose experiences done with immense intentionality, you know in silent darkness, at effective doses. You know Christ said the lukewarm I vomit from my mouth and that's how I feel about people who chip away at psychedelics and…

…the trick, then the sermon on the mount would have been the turning of the corner. But we have buddha we have Christ we have these examples of enormously insightful spiritual beings who have delivered their message and humanity has continued to flop on…

…You all remember in the brothers karamasov the story that Ilya or one of them tells about how during the inquisition, Christ Miraculously appears on earth and he visits he goes to visit the grand inquisitor and then this convertisation takes place between…

…on earth and he visits he goes to visit the grand inquisitor and then this convertisation takes place between them and the inquisitor and Christ says: do you know who I am? And the inquisitor says: yes I know who you are. We don't want it, we've got…