…is a paranoid delusion there's no basis for reality in that and I'm just not gonna stand for it I'm not gonna even comment. And Rupert did the same and I had lunch with Ralph Earlier this year and I said what about this? He said yeah well Rupert and…

…comment. And Rupert did the same and I had lunch with Ralph Earlier this year and I said what about this? He said yeah well Rupert and I tried to kind of put a boundary around Terence and tried to keep him from going way out there. We were both…

…visual mathematics visible mathematics for the first time in a long while on a public scale, on t shirts and so on as Rupert said. So I think that it's true that mathematics is one key area which is saved from oblivion by the computer revolution, making…

…their findings I'd love to hear about it. Another thing I'm wondering is where do you come down on the question that Rupert raised about halfway into their trilogue when he wondered whether, in the field of computer graphics and today that of course would…

…and I'm going to listen again with you right now Terrence thought of the world's soul as some sort of gaian entity, while Rupert and Ralph were conceptualizing about a cosmic level entity. Actually that was one of my favorite parts because it let me know…

…it slides over into a kind of metaphysics that's very traditional for mathematicians. You see we've got to have a talk about this Rupert and we've got to have a talk about it now right, because you have no matter how many Times I try to correct…

…our archaeology of knowledge and the actual existence of the soul of the world there what is it? What is it so what is it Rupert, you must have a notion, since the past is your bailiwick. Well I mean I can only say that you know I have a few.…

…world soul had no chance of existence until the big bang provided matter and energy or something. I just can't buy this, Rupert your suggestion that the world sensorium even should come into existence only after a big bang even though I'm doubtful about…

…How recognizable would it be to us as consciousness? I'm not sure. Also I'm not as interested as I think you are, Rupert in always dematerializing it. For instance yesterday you gave all these examples of processes on the earth which could be physical…

…boggles my mind to look out and think, well, yeah this is Santa Cruz, this must be Santa Cruz. What do you think, Rupert? Well the question really is I mean changing minds. We're talking, but you were talking about the butterfly wing effect. The question…

…adult community. And what do you propose? Well you work with youth. I guess you're interested in talking with younger people, Rupert I know that you're particularly active in education through the existence of your children who are now subject to the…

…Do you see the problem? Older people seem to see the problem. That's why Terence has recommended mushrooms. That's why Rupert has suggested psychic pets. You see how revolutionary are psychic pets? We're talking about the parents here. After it's proved…

…be necessary for me to relax on a fairly massive scale in order to regain novelty in my approach. How does it work for you, Rupert in the process of relating to the problem of creativity. Well I think there are two things I'd say one is that it seems…

…certain subtle disorganization with their habitual smoking. This is a different, a slightly more mild form of this negative effect that Rupert described in India, where people are truly addicted and in a sub human state. That I think requires taking really…

…world. I mean we represent values which are incomprehensible to educated Europeans. One thing that occurs to me that I'm sure Rupert would have enthusiasm for because it involves his grassroots science thing: this question of: does it make you lazy, does it…

…can be gourmet growers using special methods and like wine you mean like wine well but then you have these problems, which Rupert is pointing out, that once more it's handed over to Madison Avenue to be turned into something where they can't simply say…

…that Terrence says seems to sound as he's saying it. And then listen closely to the critiques of his premise by Ralph and Rupert and I think you'll see how important it was for Terrence to have Ralph and Rupert around to keep him on his toes.…

…to the critiques of his premise by Ralph and Rupert and I think you'll see how important it was for Terrence to have Ralph and Rupert around to keep him on his toes. And likewise it seems to me that you and I may also need our critics from time to…

…collectivism. The first great name that you encounter in the modern era, broadly speaking, when we talk about collectivism and Rupert mentioned by chance this morning this name is that of Thomas Hobbes, the great theoretician of social paranoia. That is…

…held up at least when compared to Rupert's more gloomy outlook. But what is also interesting to me is that in the short run Rupert was more in tune with events now keep in mind that this trilogue was held in 1998, just before the dot com bubble burst.…

…holiday season. Now getting on to today's program as promised we'll pick up right where the last podcast ended with Rupert and Ralph discussing the challenges facing big science versus today's grassroots science. And once again I've left this recording…

…I guess hasn't been done yet and that is to solve the problem: how this plan is to be implemented. So, although I agree with Rupert that not wanting to insult the entity, in fact is the plan is not very original still I'm going to suggest that you go…

…work less and have more money? Well I think there might be a solution to this problem but I doubt that's it. I think that Rupert is right there's a preference based on actual experience for two not for two, for zero or two. What we would need here is…

…leave Terrence Speechless, at least for the moment, until we get to the next tape and I hope you picked up on what Rupert was saying about three or four minutes into this trialogue, the part where he was encouraging groups of people to get together and…

…children to try to proceed from the green belt to the brown belt and so on, and it also is, as you correctly pointed out Rupert is the system that we have in today's educational Factory. So I think that this is excellent as far as it goes and I like…

…advantage of being very decentralized and self regulating. Well they had me there for a while, but I have to admit that Rupert Lost me at the end there when he started promoting a voucher system for public schools. Maybe we'll hear Terrence and Ralph's…

…thing they got me thinking about was when Ralph was talking about the workshop model for an education system, the one that Rupert and Terrence had proposed, and his primary question as I understood it was so who would decide which workshops would be given…

…the evolutionary mind, and so that's why I titled this podcast the way I did. And after just a few minutes of listening to Rupert he caught my attention to the point where I realized that you might also enjoy hearing this and so here we are. So let's…

…present. In other words there's a kind of time binding function here. So I'm really not so much posing a question to Rupert as adumbrating what he said. I think this is where it all comes together in this very complicated relationship between fear,…

…000 years ago which is of interest to us because we're in one now. And the question is: what was it caused by and Rupert proposed that you would of course answer the psilocybin mushroom on the plains of Africa, but you didn't mention it and the need…

…at the level of the novelty wave. I think that the DNA is divine, ah. But William of Ockham Ah escape from his trap, Rupert, what do you as a middleman, I think you see I can't quite get your position because the new hard nosed skeptic that you're…

…rays that enables them to float on the galactic wind from planetary system to planetary system bringing us, as Rupert suggests, linguistic communications from other life forms, including immaterial life forms that they've been in conversation with in the…

…that we normally expect when Terence McKenna is involved. But even if there's only one person who really grocks the message that Rupert is trying to get across, it'll be worth all of our time I think, even if becoming a grassroots scientist isn't…

…time I think, even if becoming a grassroots scientist isn't something you find particularly fascinating. Well just think about some young Ralph Rupert or Terence Out there who hears this and says yes I'm going to really look into this or that question that…

…planetary behavior. Certainly the physical sciences have hogged more than their share of the national budgets for science and as Rupert pointed out at the beginning the growing tendency of biological science to imitate this bad strategy of the physical…

…go into Guatemala or the yucatan to excavate a mayan site, to keep a team in the rainforest for six months. Well Rupert Hasn't suggested to slash all budgets to zero and presumably these relatively expensive projects will continue to be funded according to…

…comments have pointed out, do we really want to put so much of our personal information into a database that's controlled by Rupert Murdoch, you know I have to admit that if the system couldn't be tinkered with it does have some really interesting…

…fairly harmless, but in America, Religion leads to hangings, in my experience. Well the episcopal church in America in particular, since Rupert said they're ordaining women that seems to be a really major change and maybe, if this were the case in England…

…my thank yous in before you get lost in the thicket of thoughts that our merry triloggers create. And in addition to Ralph Rupert Terrence Bruce and chateau o hayouk, whose music you hear in the background right now, I also want to thank three people…

…with you over the past couple of years I've come to expect to hear new insights about our physical world coming from Rupert and over the edge metaphysical ideas coming from Terrence. But throughout them all it's been Ralph who quite often provides the…

…was kind of interesting for me that in the talk we're about to hear I guess maybe about 10 minutes into it is when Rupert points out the fact that we're actually listening to a lecture on mathematics in his tale of fractals. Well I couldn't believe it…

…rolled down the corn circle. They came to the river. They sat on the edge dangling their feet over the stream. Look, said Rupert, a sandy beach. Sure enough they saw there was a little tiny beach of sand. Terence said the land reaches down into the…

…sandy beach. Sure enough they saw there was a little tiny beach of sand. Terence said the land reaches down into the water and Rupert said no the water reaches up into the land. Ralph said it's both water and sand. It's the sandy beach. It's a fractal…

…we can look into the unconscious and we green I mean dream analysis just doesn't really do it for people. Well your idea Rupert about the age related re establishment shamanic sacraments might come in here I think so. Yes this this is this idea that…

…about to take one more step but it's too early to tell. Let me just respond for one minute, then we'll see what Rupert thinks of this. I'm afraid I'm basically so pessimistic I can't really dispute this or go on. Nevertheless for the sake of theory…

…the eschaton could intervene in this race between the two accelerating processes. That's all I wanted to say. What do you think, Rupert? Well I think I mean I agree with you this is a cultural pattern. The judeo Christian Tradition takes further tendencies…

…matrixmasters com. Shatol hayuk, thanks again for letting me use your music here in the salon and thanks again to Ralph Rupert and Terrence for holding these fascinating conversations and to Bruce Dahmer for obtaining the recordings for us to listen to here…

…simply individual development. That's too long, yes, that's it good. Well so it falls to me to share with you my view of Rupert, who, I'm not sure when I first became aware. Probably it was the nature review, which I think Rupert should certainly be…

…my view of Rupert, who, I'm not sure when I first became aware. Probably it was the nature review, which I think Rupert should certainly be very grateful to nature because in their perverse way they saved him perhaps from obscurantism by calling for the…

…have an intuition into the nature of scientific theory far beyond my own because I couldn't make the judgment at that stage. And then Rupert I believe it was through Ralph contacted me and came by bus to see me I live in the wine country north of San…

…my vision of the European Academic was of a corpulent, elderly, animated person and I projected that and expected that. And when Rupert arrived and Ralph vectored in for that first meeting as well isn't that interesting, that's right. And there he was, and…

…most of them and the higher they rise the more this quality seems exacerbated in their personality. And I have found Rupert to be an incredibly generous, intelligent, forgiving person. I feel very privileged to be in the presence of these people. I'm…

…of today's trialog and see if I can put aside some of my own ingrown bias against the concept of divine omnipotence that Rupert was trying to sell to Terence and Ralph kind of unsuccessfully I thought you know it's interesting that this topic came up in…

…grown man cry because you know I mean he is devastated but and then you know this is just one of moments. You know Rupert, my comrade in arms sheldrake, was one of the people who sponsored the contest that basically put the crop circles out of business…

…of Einstein and other physicists for a unified field theory is an expression of this Universal urge for progress. And here we have Rupert I think, lusting after this unification. That I think is maybe this is a really good idea if we can put it this…

…the problem. We had the painting of the earth god what is her name? The Catholic the virgin of Guadalupe, of Guadalupe, Yes. So Rupert took me into the church of holy cross in Santa Cruz where I'd never gone, and showed that there was a shrine of our…

…commandos of the new persuasion. Now there's an outfit that I'd sure like to join, and you've really got to admire Ralph and Rupert whose ideas are equally captivating. But you've just got to admire them for having the courage to share the stage with a…

…email is any indication, you're all enjoying them too. For example Derek wrote to say that perhaps the combined energy of Ralph Rupert and Terrence may even add a new dimension to their individual presentations that may not have come out if they'd just…

…for those of you who aren't really big fans of Terrence's thinking, well there's an added little treat for you in that Ralph and Rupert really beat up on him in this one as they point out a few inconsistencies in his thinking. It's really one of their…

…try to challenge you both to leap to another level of discussion in the hermeneutical circle by considering ourselves in these traditions. Rupert responded by doing that and I think that maybe when he at the end, challenged you with a question perhaps you…

…models. The idea of time having a singularity at the beginning and a singularity at the end is one model of time as Rupert has observed in the past when you believe in the big bang, which you correctly pointed out is extremely improbable if you can…

…any time in my entire life. So let's press on, and I'd better press on with this podcast right now. First of all, Rupert mentioned a trilogue that they'd held 36 hours before and was about computers and psychedelics. In case you're joining us for the…

…out as soon as I can, hopefully. In the next few days. I haven't heard the end of this conversation yet myself, but already Rupert has given me a lot to think about along the lines of family morphogenic fields. In fact it may even open up a whole…

…a very deep creode, a runnel in the morphogenetic field of a depth of three to five waddingtons. Well this is a unit that Rupert and I have worked out for measuring the depth of runnels. So we've got a really it's not only a personal failing if you…

…they just want to hear the word explained. Stealing a line from Terence's Current book there are habits. Habits, according to Rupert are tunnels, they're you know deeply worn paths, labyrinths in the morphogenetic field. But habits is a habit. There's a…

…and the frequency, the annual but there's since Waddington introduced the concept creode in connection with embryology, as Rupert has explained, we thought it appropriate to take his name. Like resistance ohm, there's Maxwell's Henry's There's Faraday's…

…I get those talks out, I'll be waiting in suspense with you. By the way, did you catch that part near the end where Rupert was talking about how skepticism works well in the marketplace of ideas in everyday life but that in science it isn't a balanced…

…about the heavens in this way as organic integrated and animate makes that more probable then I'm all for it. I think Rupert you and I and perhaps to some degree Ralph, come out of the influence of the school called organismic philosophy that Alfred…

…philosophy that Alfred North Whitehead and Joseph Needham and l l white put forth. Clearly the reason that organism you know Rupert made the very eloquent case for organismic organization at every level. Clearly the reason that's been unwelcome in science is…

…about the signal systems which hold these organisms together and that is pointing back toward a theme that I know is dear to Rupert he touched on it this evening which is the systematic elimination of spirit from any explanation of what nature is. I mean…

…in a crater on the moon and that this became a personal conviction of yours after performing the experiment suggested by Rupert, that during your travels you devote a certain amount of time to peering through the stellarator at different heavenly bodies and…

…but I'm definitely going to reread star maker again. I think it was about 25 minutes or so into his rap when Rupert was describing organic solar systems in organic galaxies and organic super clusters and so on that I was reminded of Olaf Stapleton's…

…describe his understanding that mathematical attractors pulled from the front as he put it and so we'll pick up with Rupert concluding his thoughts about chaotic attractors and he'll be immediately followed by Ralph Abraham expressing his Surprise with both…

…more to my own kinkiness, because it caused me to think something I had never thought before even though on one level Rupert was taking liberties with my material this notion about complexity and cooling. I saw perhaps because I heard it from his lips…

…remember but I say I proclaim to you all it's impossible I ever made such a statement because as I've just explained to Rupert, I don't believe in the resonance between the models and the actuality of ordinary life. I think that it emerges. It evolves…

…in the year ahead. Getting back to today's program, about 22 minutes or so into their conversation you probably noticed Rupert talked about the difference between written and spoken language, particularly in respect to the permanence of the written word. I'm…

…thousands of us would be able to hear this wonderful conversation. So here's a question for you in terms of the way Rupert and Terrence are talking about attractors, what kind of attractor or series of attractors do you think it was that prompted someone…

…too far into statistical analysis of nature, then we begin to cut away at our own beliefs and assumptions about nature, yours, Rupert of the morphogenetic field, mine of novelty theory. And there must be some aspect of all this that would threaten you,…

…shuttled aside as Wofford Shoves aside Rupert's idea of the morphotubetic field what is it that science hates? Besides Rupert does science hate homeopathy, acupuncture or alternative medicine? Altogether, science hates cold fusion. I mean there are certain…

…and chaos and we begin with Ralph Abraham's short introduction to chaos theory and then we'll get into a discussion between Ralph and Rupert of why what is is or something like that. Let's join Ralph and Rupert now. Now it's a little presumptuous to call…

…and then we'll get into a discussion between Ralph and Rupert of why what is is or something like that. Let's join Ralph and Rupert now. Now it's a little presumptuous to call this chaos theory because as a matter of fact there is no theory. We're in…

…seen 16 000 of them. What does one look like? And that will conclude my introduction and then I'll pass them on to Rupert. A good laboratory for the study of chaotic dynamics is the dripping faucet and the dripping faucet was discovered as the ideal…

…it appears to be a stand alone session that was directed by questions from the audience. I don't know when it was recorded, but Rupert mentions that they were in Santa Cruz and in the background it sounds like they're at a lunch of some kind on the…

…mathematical notion and the possible emergence of a new species. That is something we talked about a lot yesterday so I'll let Rupert I'm afraid I've forgotten this discussion what do you mean by that Ralph we didn't talk about the emergence of new…

…call this win or lose, there's something there for everybody, I think. Now here's a leading question, which is: Dr Rupert would you tell us about your current research with morphogenetic fields? Yes morphogenetic? Well, probably not everyone knows what this…

…ourselves that we know what's going on in England and so one time I flew over to England to experience a crop circle and Rupert and I flew down, having heard the news that one had recently appeared. We flew down the motorway in his car and we…

…cut little ice until a Jeep arrived out of which jumped a German Baron with about ten German Photographers, who immediately said Rupert came up to me and turned to the police and said: if there's one scientist in England who can explain these, it's…

…know what you'd say: it's too obvious it's what anyone would say: go for the Renaissance money. Something is happening again and maybe Rupert should tell us about the raves going on in London. I don't know about that. I certainly think that the year 2000…

…single generation at least this current age of darkness is finally coming to an end. One of the things that struck me when Rupert first began to speak and was saying that he thought that 2012 was a distraction from the coming year 2000, was that maybe…

…that seems to have any meaning in the here and now, which, by the way is all we've got. Another interesting comment Rupert made just before, talking about a psychedelic revival, was about the fact that another one of the possibilities for a global change…

…the trilogue tape is titled creativity and imagination and in this, the second part of that discussion, we join Terrence and Rupert in their speculation that having a psychedelic experience is like tapping into the guy in imagination. But first we begin…

…in their speculation that having a psychedelic experience is like tapping into the guy in imagination. But first we begin with Rupert talking about the creative process and dreams. I think creativity seems to involve, like the jungians talk about the welling…

…that the laws of nature can be used for purposes of prediction and control within the kind of developing evolutionary cosmology that Rupert has expressed it all right. Well then, yes, I mean the thing is that there are two theological views you see that…

…of science who doesn't care about the application but wants to know. You know is this or is this not in fact so? So Rupert is suggesting that laws are habits and that habits change over time they're incremental. Therefore, in his view no law is in fact…

…Yes well I agree with what you're saying about a template I mean this is this idea of a topology that I want to put out. Rupert and I were again last night after the meeting talking about the idea of god as a mathematical mind had come up and I was…

…would think about the moron in charge today. And actually you know it's kind of sad in a way to hear Terrence Ralph and Rupert talk so positively about their hopes for change in this new millennium. I guess that way back in 1989 when this talk was…

…a few of the big questions that us lesser mortals sometimes shy away from. So let's join them now, shall we? We decided that Rupert would kick off this morning, and so he shall. So Terrence, I want to start by explaining what I think the problem is…

…field is not subject to the inverse square law of decreased influence over distance then I, as a layman, don't see why, Rupert we couldn't locate it at the conclusion of process. Because you know one of the things that's always puzzled me about the…

…my mind this is the divine imagination, this is what Blake called it, this is the only way I can conceive of it that Rupert and I were chatting last night in our room about the aboriginal nature of god, this idea which is built into Whitehead, that…

…aspects are not they remain invisible to us and yet we don't have any language for what we perceive so we can't, as Rupert suggested, have data storage and retrieval on this level we don't have language for that you've in the Garden or the images in…

…elements that amplify infinitely the bad uses for some kind of piracy, I guess. But I'd like to defend Ralph to you Rupert I don't think that it's really a journey deeper into artificiality. I mean science has been dependent on instrumentality for a long,…

…introduction tape to the series appropriately titled cast of characters. This is an experiment. It's also sort of living theater because Rupert and Ralph and I have by natural inclination been discussing the kind of things we're going to discuss this weekend…

…style, is very dear to my heart because they dovetail and support each other. We're both rowing our canoes the same way Rupert and our colleague of many years standing and my acquaintance since 1972, a hellraiser from the 60s, the man who well no…

…exactly explain to you why this is so then I became interested in other views of time and elaborated my own theory, which Rupert mentioned, about novelty. I began to see that what I was groping toward was the notion that time is not a flat plane…

…now, and by him I mean only the tiny iota of him, which is this crusty little theory out of which we make our bread. Rupert, I read the new science of life and had read all the other radical biology which preceded it and knew that there hadn't been…

…to Ralph, in terms of the way the weekend will be structured and to give us something to hang all this on, Rupert mentioned the triadic structure of the dialogues and that he would be representing the creative evolutionary impulse. I will represent the…

…of the interesting questions we like to kick around is: if there is a morphogenetic field what is its propagation speed? And Rupert maintains that its propagation speed is infinite that it, in other words, can cross the universe in a single moment. Well…

…waters well, it did one good thing. It finished the it can't be done by human beings position. We now know, you know, Rupert and all these people. Ruperthe, believe it or not, is the plant pathologist who serves on the board of the cerealogist, which is…

…that were indistinguishable from the real thing. Beautiful cross circles. And I'm getting this from believers. You know, this is what Rupert reluctantly informed me. I think that. And, you know, one theory is that it's a particle beam weapon being tested…

…You'd think that you'd have to put ice packs on your head for a week after this experience, and instead it's completely. So Rupert and I, in talking about this, he developed the idea of what he called a necrotic compound. He thinks that DMT. That at…

…these endless hallways lit by fluorescent lights and wonderful water coolers every 300ft. But there's nobody there. And I talked to Rupert about this, because one of the things we've kicked around over the years is the idea that drugs are like morphogenetic…

…have looked at. Certainly hippies in the 1960s and people since have made very good use of argiarrhea as a visionary vehicle. Rupert and I. Rupert Sheldrake and I have talked a lot about this, about the morphogenetic field of a shamanic plant without a…

…get the. I'll hand them all around and you can get addresses off of them if you want. This is Rupert's new book. Rupert is Rupert Sheldrake. It's just begun to be distributed. He is going to make a revolution in thinking about resonance and form and…

…very kind to our concern. The psychedelics are much more centrally important to understanding in a morphic resonance theory of nature. So Rupert is just a brilliant writer, even more brilliant than he is a talker. And this is a delicious book to just read…

…do with revisioning society by looking at ancient models of how men and women arranged social structure in the past. And like Rupert, this is a book with a secret agenda. This book is a tracking horse for a new respectability for psychedelics. Because…

…down, novelty is increasing. When the line moves upward, the opposite of novelty, which can be called chaos, entropy. But I really like Rupert childrake's suggestion. To me. He said, I think you should call it habit. And then what you see is that life is…

…I met that morning. And for many of us, well, Terrence was the source of the psychedelic community's morphogenic field. Using Rupert Sheldrake's idea, it's hard to believe that Terrence McKenna has now been gone for almost a quarter of a century. However,…

…permission for Earth day ecological sensitivity. Now the great philosopher of the psychedelic community to my mind, is Rupert Sheldrake, and Rupert is a botanist, a natural scientist, a man in the tradition of Darwin and WaLlACE we're trying to say. And…

…the book? Is this the book that's come out of that? Well, there were two of those books of dialogues, or trialogues with Rupert and Ralph. The first one was called trialogues at the edge of the west. And the new one is called the evolutionary mind.…

…of central Asia? Obviously, it seems to me it is to be seen by the very people who would then offer an explanation of it. Rupert and I have spent a fair bit of time trying to understand the psychology behind the crop circles. And here we have come up…

…proclaim the imminence of some great event. And they have come more and more out on this limb. And what I speculated to Rupert was that mi five, which is british intelligence, it's possible that they could actually view the new age as a resurgence of…

…and it's a photographic subject and it's very occurrent and so forth. So it's a big deal. So what I suggested to Rupert was Mitty, which is the minister of trade and industry, is obviously carrying on a clandestine project in the study of semiotics,…

…feel that it was a strong distinction. But the more time I've spent with it and the more time I've spent with Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphogenetic fields, the more I come to see that I really think there is a very large distinction between…

…in terms of the theory of morphogenetic resonance. It seems to me, you know, some of you probably follow Rupert's ideas and Rupert himself. The problem is that the morphogenetic field is very difficult for instruments to detect. And in fact, I think so…

…can become connected with as a collective community that we're all participating in. Can you elaborate on that? Well, I've talked with Rupert a lot about this, and sort of different things can be said. I mean, one way of thinking about what the…

…secondly, do, in terms of the people that you communicate with who do measured quantities and who do it similarly, say, Rupert Sheldon, have other people of other individuals communicated that they see those same type of creatures, for lack of a better…

…simply the artistic community, because there has always been a bohemian community in science as well. Renegade scientists, the Rupert sheldrakes of the world, represent essentially the denizens of scientific bohemia. And someone could argue with this premise,…

…I mean, I have hard trips often, and the way I explain it to myself is, you know, I pretty much accept Rupert Sheldrake's notion of the morphogenetic field and feel like the psychedelics amplify the morphogenetic field of the totality. And, you know, why…

…other ways, then their commitment to a peculiar belief makes the belief suspect. But we tried to do a trial log about this with Rupert and Ralph in Santa Cruz a few weeks ago, and they both just climbed all over me and said it was a terrible method…

…certainly live in strange times. But before I forget to tell you, if you want to listen to that trialogue that Terrence mentioned, where Rupert and Ralph gave him a hard time, you can hear it in my podcast, number 228 that I posted way back on May 15…

…in there. You know, it is beyond the ken of the human imagination. Why is it like that? Well, that's a very interesting question. Rupert says, I mean, this is just a stab at it, that these molecules not only give trips, they record them. And when you…

…science. And Dennett, who wrote consciousness, Dennis explained, was his name Dennis Dennett or Michael Dennett? Anyway, he was there. Rupert said at one point, his book should have been called consciousness explained away. But as a biologist, he was making…

…more likely, Doug and Dave may be a stretch of the imagination telluric forces intent on saving the world is highly improbable. So Rupert and I, we went to work on this because I felt, see, there's something. It plays with people in the way that flying…

…I sense is the dangerous area in the ideological zone, there's just all kinds of unexamined, shoddy intellectual goods on the market. Rupert and I. Rupert Childrake was here a few weeks ago helping launch a new book that we wrote with Ralph Abraham. And…

…world. You can sit on them and you can just hear them, you know, and feel them, really. I'm sure, you know, Rupert Sheldrake's theory? Well, it's basically the idea that things of, like, kind resonate together. And when I've thought about this problem…

…get the. I'll hand them all around and you can get addresses off of them if you want. This is Rupert's new book. Rupert is Rupert Sheldrake. It's just begun to be distributed. He is going to make a revolution in thinking about resonance and form, and…

…very kind to our concern. The psychedelics are much more centrally important to understanding in a morphic resonance theory of nature. So Rupert is just a brilliant writer, even more brilliant than he is a talker. And this is a delicious book to just read…

…do with revisioning society by looking at ancient models of how men and women arranged social structure in the past. And like Rupert, this is a book with a secret agenda. This book is a tracking horse for a new respectability for psychedelics. Because…

…permission for Earth day ecological sensitivity. Now the great philosopher of the psychedelic community to my mind is Rupert Sheldrake and Rupert is a botanist, a natural scientist, a man in the tradition of Darwin and WaLlACe we're trying to say. And what…

…biology is doing there. Well, I know pregotion only slightly and formally, my great intellectual comrade in arms is Rupert Sheldrake. And Rupert, this is his bailiwick as well, because what he is saying in a slightly different voice is that nature is a…

…called the counterpoise of novelty. Logically, I think entropy, which is a familiar concept in physics, well understood mathematically. But Rupert convinced me that habit was a much more applicable idea. And novelty is easy to understand, but hard to define.…

…three degrees centigrade. We're not talking thousand of a degree here. We're talking about all over the map kind of stuff. Rupert studied this, you know, got a complete set of the 20th century published melting points. And, you know, what is chromium…

…and that the resurrection of the dead would become a social project pursued with government funding. Yeah, well, I don't think Rupert would agree that biology is entropic. The way biology works is by being what's called an open system, far from equilibrium.…

…to me. And so it's just a matter of, you know, how do you tell? And I have this argument with Ralph all the time and Rupert because they're both softer than I am, and I'm getting more hard boiled in my old age because I see how a lot of people…

…us since the birth of greek medicine, but people don't ever have that happen to them. So I think I talked to Rupert about this, his idea, which is possible certainly. He calls it a necrotogen. Yes, necrotogen, meaning that it's something which is released…

…less politess would be alright. I don't know what it's like here. Said all these things I'm saying to you now, to Rupert recently, and he said, well, you're just, you know, sinking in. Malibuitis. He said, in an average english pub, if somebody started…