…beautiful sterling man. He was trustworthy, he was amazingly candid and honest and I have great respect for him. So I commend Dennis for having presented this side of things because it humanizes him in a way that I think ultimately makes his message much…

…it humanizes him in a way that I think ultimately makes his message much more valuable for all of us. So I say thank you Dennis and thank you for bringing it forth. I agree with you and I have to admit that when I first learned this, uh I actually…

…get his facts wrong pretty frequently in the books and in the talks and a lot of the ideas that Terence had came through Dennis and as Dennis said in that interview in 1993 you know my brother never checked the fact checked with me first so in you…

…wrong pretty frequently in the books and in the talks and a lot of the ideas that Terence had came through Dennis and as Dennis said in that interview in 1993 you know my brother never checked the fact checked with me first so in you know in the…

…a lot of stuff we derive and make up a lot of can read whether the stuff had any validity but the stories were good. As Dennis said my brother never let a fact get in the way of a of a compelling way to tell something or in other words a story.…

…fund drives to pay the hosting bills, and when I saw her name as a donor, I wrote and asked if she was related to Dennis Terence and well as it turned out they weren't related but she did live not far from where Terence and Dennis grew up. Now there…

…she was related to Dennis Terence and well as it turned out they weren't related but she did live not far from where Terence and Dennis grew up. Now there were two years in a row when money was really tight here in the salon and it didn't look as if…

…the research pioneer and ethno pharmacologist Dennis McKenna, who talks primarily about the global reach that ayahuasca is now extending. But Dennis also gives what I consider to be an excellent criticism of Terence's time wave musings. I guess I like it…

…is about the life and times of these two brothers and well you can decide then for yourself about the infamous part. But to me Dennis is just well he's just really a nice guy you know somebody you'd love to get to know better. Now the talk that we're…

…really a nice guy you know somebody you'd love to get to know better. Now the talk that we're going to hear today is one that Dennis gave way back in June of 1984, and Dennis tells me that this was most likely his first or at least one of his very…

…get to know better. Now the talk that we're going to hear today is one that Dennis gave way back in June of 1984, and Dennis tells me that this was most likely his first or at least one of his very first public talks concerning his then very recent…

…are actually contained in the average dose of ayahuasca. So what we're about to hear is essentially the first public presentation that Dennis and keep in mind that back in 1984 this was really big news to the psychedelic community and the only editing…

…1984 this was really big news to the psychedelic community and the only editing that I've done here is to remove spots where Dennis asked for the next slide to be shown. Obviously he was using powerpoint or something like that, and even though we don't…

…putting somebody in a Hospital, I think that's one place where I think Dennis McKenna owes his whole life to Terrence because when Dennis tripped out at la charrera the REST of the group that they were with were just adamant they were going to fly him…

…same? We should go to lunch to have mushrooms, to have mushrooms stroganoff. And will we gather at three o clock and hope that Dennis and sheila and Eduardo are here and that it will be different? Oh and Ralph too, the mets is scheduled. The body is…

…And by the way at the end of this recording, I think I heard Terence mention that in the next session that his brother Dennis and Eduardo Luna would be joining him. Well I happen to have a recording of that session at least I hope that's what's on…

…going to title it daymer McKenna and covid 19, but after I read it I realized that somebody might think that Bruce and Dennis had caught the virus but they haven't. However if you know where Bruce lives then you have most likely been following the news…

…in the world today is would be authoritarian. Figures have a very limited range of power, very limited ability to move. In fact, Dennis, you might recall in our fireside chat at wilka tika, I had had that experience with the lukuma tree one night it was…

…In a way anyone in this room could take one of the elixirs and go into a state and I know you've done this, Dennis, because the plant showed you one night how photosynthesis worked and how food was made. We could all use the doorway available to us…

…James Joyce and all these absolute masters. For me it's just the high art of his skill and whatever material it was just as Dennis is saying he could be reading from the telephone book and for me he was my mentor in not only the high quality of…

…he has a new book just out. But first let's return to the second half of this very interesting interview with McKenna Dennis, whose professional life has been not only one of academic achievement but also of high adventure, and I'll warn you ahead of…

…other began and where a few words were missed, but it shouldn't distract you very much now when we left off last week, Dennis had just reached the point in his narrative at which he said that not being accepted by the Harvard Graduate school was the…

…experience. You're listening to the psychedelic salon where people are changing their lives one thought at a time. Ah yes as Dennis just said, there are certain things that must be learned through experience. Of course what was left unsaid is the fact…

…I've just got to get this off my chest. You know if you think back to where this interview began today it started with Dennis talking about a grad school rejection by Harvard turning out to be one of the best things that had ever happened to him. And…

…becoming more involved in psychedelic research as a profession, that you give some thought to where the major turning points were in Dennis Professional life, the ones that led him to a position of prominence in the academic realm as well as in the realm…

…of our fellow saloners the most interesting parts of this interview may be the story of the long and winding trail that Dennis took on his road to becoming one of the leading intellectual and academic lights in the psychedelic community. In particular his…

…one of our elders who is deeply rooted in both the academic world and the world of the shaman. In past podcasts with Dennis Brother Terrence, there have been many occasions where we heard Terrence give Dennis the credit for coming up with some of the…

…the world of the shaman. In past podcasts with Dennis Brother Terrence, there have been many occasions where we heard Terrence give Dennis the credit for coming up with some of the ideas that Terrence went on to champion on the lecture circuit while…

…Dennis the credit for coming up with some of the ideas that Terrence went on to champion on the lecture circuit while Dennis worked in the laboratory. Now we are at long last getting the chance to hear some of these interesting thoughts directly from…

…Dennis worked in the laboratory. Now we are at long last getting the chance to hear some of these interesting thoughts directly from Dennis himself, so let's join them now. Welcome to the light of the naked room. Good evening you are tuned to wkcr 89 9…

…plants. So yeah we're going to dive in. This was pre recorded at Dennis's Friend's Alexandra's house a couple months ago before Dennis gave a talk about plants and creativity. So let's dive in and stay tuned. Thanks for listening. Maybe I'll start with a…

…yet. I thought that we hit the botany and chemistry of this particular complex fairly hard with all the new material that Dennis McGuire contributed. So tonight I thought I would sort of pull back the focus and take the opportunity of having them here…

…immune stimulating plants on the evolutionary history of evolving and how the students can adapt to fancy. For the last two or three years, Dennis and I have sort of been kicking around an idea for some of you may have heard part of. I'm not going to…

…are on the surface at one time, so that essentially every word spoken is a perm of many levels. And this is interesting, Dennis, in this tape that was reconstructed from the night before we did the experiment with la terra, a part of the raft which…

…and require a perceiving being formulated? So it's a simplification that is self destructive as you argue. What do you think, Dennis, about the way the psychedelic relationship to language? Do you think it's trivial? Do you think that it can be analyzed…

…lucky to have had a number of times in the past year or so on mushrooms. The mushroom change its focus. I was wondering, Dennis started to say something about this. If you want to carry on, really, about what the mushroom is. You always credit it as…

…the publication of a new book, his first one after the publication of the mushroom growers guide that he wrote with his brother Dennis. And now that we're looking back more than 20 years after the talk that we're about to listen to, it's. Well, it's fun…

…skull to our torso in adult human beings is a fetal ratio when compared to other primates. And I'm fascinated by the question. And Dennis and I got into an argument in our hotel room last because we both spoke at a conference a week ago where I said…

…after reading one of the books that Dennis McKenna mentions in his new memoir, the brotherhood of the screaming abyss. In it, Dennis describes his early youth with Terence and how they were both fascinated. The future and the nature of time. Then he goes…

…Terence ingested his first psychoactive substance, he'd already done a significant amount of preparation by reading all kinds of things, as Dennis has documented so well in his book. It's my assumption that at the time Terrence was first getting into these…

…notes for today's program. The second is a group show that I've organized here in Berlin with two friends of mine, Dennis Konstantin and Mika Kolori Krebs, and I'll link to that announcement as well. This exhibition marks an important milestone. For a…

…predicted apocalypse. However, I think that the main thing to keep in mind when listening to one of Terence's raps is what Dennis said about his brother being primarily a poet and entertainer. He most definitely wasn't a prophet and never claimed to be…

…about his brother being primarily a poet and entertainer. He most definitely wasn't a prophet and never claimed to be one. As Dennis wrote in the brotherhood of the screaming abyss, and I quote, his rap was not science. It was not exactly philosophy…

…thing, an archetype for us all, as was in some ways, the Bard McKenna. As I mentioned earlier, I just finished reading Dennis McKenna's new book, the Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss, and in my opinion, it's a book that you will most definitely want…

…that I've underlined so as to gather a little more comprehensive understanding of all that I just read. Not only does Dennis share some very revealing stories about himself and about Terence, he also provides some very cogent and introspective asides that…

…and about Terence, he also provides some very cogent and introspective asides that add significant value to this long labor of love by Dennis. And there's much more that I want to say about his book, but I'm going to save those comments for a few weeks…

…the scientific research that explained what we now know about ayahuasca. And as you already know, that young man was Terrence's brother, Dennis. Are you the next Dennis McKenna? As much as I enjoy listening to the words and wisdom of Terrence, the ultimate…

…the ultimate McKenna legacy, I think may turn out to be the scientific research of McKenna the Younger. And as an aside to you, Dennis, I promise not to call you that again. End. But you know, it does have a really nice ring to it, don't you think?…

…trouble of editing the podcast and podcasting his presentation. After all that, a controversy began in the McKenna family which caused Dennis to request that the podcast be removed, along with all of the wonderful comments that our fellow saloners posted in…

…podcast be removed, along with all of the wonderful comments that our fellow saloners posted in regards to it. And out of respect for Dennis, who is now in an extremely difficult position, I have done so at the cost of receiving a lot of hate mail for…

…of hate mail for doing so. Now, what Bruce and I didn't know at the time of this performance and podcast was that Dennis had apparently given McKenna family, including Terrance's ex wife. The final say as to what went into the book he is writing about…

…the time, well, his lectures were sort of our version of a Grateful Dead concert's bootleg tapes, if you know what I mean. So Dennis is now making the final revisions to his book after meeting with the rest of the family. And in a way, this makes me…

…revisions to his book after meeting with the rest of the family. And in a way, this makes me sad for the position that Dennis finds himself in. Having read parts of an early draft of his book, I found it very well written and extraordinarily helpful in…

…to Dennis Berry, the keeper of his archive for many years. And also with thanks to Bruce Damer, who put me in contact with Dennis. She is the person who gave me copies of all of the Leary talks that had been digitized before his archive was transferred…

…was first given. Also, Terence treats us to a more detailed look into the very high weirdness that he and his brother Dennis experienced at La Terrera in the seventies. Eventually then, he gets into a description of his time wave hypothesis. As you may…

…you seek visions with, you know, that's a very important experience in life. And as the publisher and artist, Terrence and Dennis were the authors of this book, it sold 100,000 copies through another publisher who ultimately, not for reasons of this book,…

…think that what this teaching that came out of this experience in the Amazon was all about was it was a totality symbol. Dennis had thought that the flying saucer would emerge out of his body as a spinning violet disk of translinguistic matter that would…

…in May of 2001. So Josh isn't exactly a newcomer to table. He's been paying his dues for a long time now. Anyway, Dennis and Joe got talking about Terrence's time wave and how unfortunate it was that the idea got attached to the 2012 solstice date.…

…voice, or is just your natural. You just hear this voice whenever. Well, it's sort of. You know, we talked last night about Dennis had this notion that he could bond these molecules in permanently. And, you know, everybody gets. You only get to be one…

…place, you see? So now, what lies behind such raving as this? Can this coffee really be that strong when you run the jungle? Dennis had his 14 day psychotic episode. Or whatever it was. Did he take the same drug that you did? Did you both do the…

…toward us. I remember it was an ad for Costenia los cerveza mas mejor de Colombia. And then as it came and faded, then Dennis made this very strange noise, which was like a metallic. Well, a very strange noise. And it was like that was really for him…

…nature and we began to discover what the order of nature actually is. And it took the form of an idea which my brother Dennis, who's the pharmacologist of the gang, although he wasn't at the time, he has gone on to become the person he most was before…

…So if you can cool a molecule to that level, it will immediately bond permanently to whatever is physically nearby. So Dennis said, what you do is you take all these, you saturate your body with these drug molecules. Molecules. And then using…

…I had been thinking, my hands had built a fire out of small sticks. It was as though everything was cognitive activity. Dennis went what would be conventionally called a psychotic episode, but it wasn't a typical psychotic episode. It was a kind of…

…this was maybe one of his earliest public accounts of this hypothesis that was actually first suggested to him by his brother Dennis. And in fact, a few podcasts back, we heard Terence giving his brother credit for first thinking of this as a possibility.…

…want to put forth, which is the product of many people's thought on the subject, not the least of which is my brother Dennis. And I've developed the idea in conversations with Rupert Sheldrake and Cat and Ralph Metzner and other people over the years, is…

…cash as a graduation present or something, you might want to pay a little of it forward so that years from now, when Dennis and the rest of the elders of that period are long gone, their stories will still live on in our collective tribal memory.…

…the Terrence McKenna talk that we just listened to at the time of this talk, the mushroom Growers guide that he and his brother Dennis published was still about the only source of how to grow magic mushrooms that I could find a but today there are over…

…can dig up something that'll interest you. Now, before I go, I would like one more time to remind you that Terrence's brother Dennis has a Kickstarter campaign running right now in which he hopes to raise enough money to be able to write and publish a…

…Dennis's project is titled the Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss, which is for sure an attention getting title, don't you think? Right now, Dennis is almost halfway to his goal, and there are still 41 days left to make a pledge, if you can see your way…

…and Sheldrake took place, took part in some of the other big honchos of edgy science. And Dennett, who wrote consciousness, Dennis explained, was his name Dennis Dennett or Michael Dennett? Anyway, he was there. Rupert said at one point, his book should…

…part in some of the other big honchos of edgy science. And Dennett, who wrote consciousness, Dennis explained, was his name Dennis Dennett or Michael Dennett? Anyway, he was there. Rupert said at one point, his book should have been called consciousness…

…Paul W. JlR murals and I'd also like to thank Carl S. And the rest of our fellow saloners who have contributed to Dennis McKenna's Kickstarter project, which I'll mention again at the end of this podcast. Also, there is one of our fellow slaughters who…

…in more detail in my next podcast. But I want to remind you that there is still time to make a pledge to Dennis McKennas Kickstarter campaign, in which he hopes to raise funds necessary to write and publish a definitive biography of his brother Terrence…

…discussion, most of the samples that Jonathan discussed this afternoon were actually collected by Cass and myself in 76. And then Dennis wrote that picture using those samples from thumb that he had obtained earlier that year. They all came from a single…

…to grow and evolve over a lifetime that's full of ups and downs. And as I'm sure you already know, Terrance's brother Dennis has committed to undertake the momentous task of writing the definitive story of the life of Terence McKenna, as seen from the…

…shared many of the adventures that we've heard Terrence speak about. In fact, just now we even heard Terrence include his brother Dennis as one of a very select group of people he would trust to further investigate the world of psychedelics. Of course,…

…of a very select group of people he would trust to further investigate the world of psychedelics. Of course, that's precisely what Dennis has made his professional life all about. Now, I guess I'd better just lay this out and say something here. Hopefully…

…try and keep these podcasts as commercial free as possible. But now I'm going to break that longstanding rule of mine and promote Dennis McKenna's Kickstart project. And I'm doing this for a lot of reasons, but to me, the most important one is that this…

…I had good intentions to just give a pledge and not accept any of the gifts being offered for the various pledge amounts, well, Dennis, I have to confess that your offers were just too tempting. And so I accepted one of them. So hey, thanks in advance.…

…in 2012, I'll have a few good years of penitent meditation ahead of me. Then the other day, I also heard Terrence's brother Dennis on Joe Rogan's podcast talking about the La Terra experiment in very much the same way that is about never coming down.…

…like you to talk about it. I don't know anything about it except that I know who to ask, which would be my brother Dennis. But I've heard that this is true, that they're getting a remarkable remission of the symptoms with it. It's really part of a…

…protected and safe. He would never do shit like this. And of course Andrino would kick his butt if he even tried. And Dennis continues, I don't know what the answer is here. There is no board of shamanic integrity to separate the predator charlatans from…

…a difference between life and death. As an example of the latter, I've told this story before, but one time, years ago, Dennis and a girlfriend of his went up into the mountains behind the boulder and they took Argyria nervosa, hawaiian baby Woodrose, and…

…think that what this teaching that came out of this experience in the Amazon was all about was it was a totality symbol. Dennis had thought that the flying saucer would emerge out of his body as a spinning violet disc of translinguistic matter that would…

…or whatever. And psilocybin is sort of more and more large and very gentle. And so it might have had experiences where, I think Dennis did as well, where I was led through the forest by someone so much bigger than me that I couldn't see him or her,…

…now my most precious book. It's an art book titled Interplanetary Pueblos by the brilliant and gifted hopi artist and architect, Dennis Noumkina. I've mentioned Dennis's work once before, but this is the first time I've actually been this close to his work.…

…this time. Now, the reason I'm going on so long about this is that through this simple act of adding color to one of Dennis Numkema's sketches, I now feel a direct physical connection to both Dennis and to Sharon. This drawing now has a little of all…

…is that through this simple act of adding color to one of Dennis Numkema's sketches, I now feel a direct physical connection to both Dennis and to Sharon. This drawing now has a little of all three of us in it. So now I'm really excited about adding…

…and if you go to numkena.com, you'll also find several of his major works available as well. I hope one day to meet Dennis in person, but even if that never happens, I already feel like he's in old friend. And Sharon, thank you so very much…

…San Francisco. Well, let me background it. The question relates to an incident told about in both my book with Dennis invisible landscape and in true hallucination, very creatively agitated under the influence of mushrooms, announced that he could do…

…So where are the memories? Well, there are a number of theories, but there is nothing more than theory at this point. Dennis said, let's assume nature is conservative for a moment. We know that nature stores protein code in DNA, and we know that…

…silent portions of the DNA fit all the necessary criterion of language. They have syntactical structure. This seems to support Dennis contention, which was, and it's very. Would be very controversial, you see, because it's a lamarckian mechanism. It's saying…

…slow trading in of low gain molecular transceivers like serotonin for much more broadband, high gain molecular transceivers like DMT. So Dennis idea was to take all this theory that I just laid out and then use acoustically produced vocal sound to cancel…

…they have to be subject to the same rules of evidence as everyone else, also applied to himself. Recently, Terrence's brother Dennis has come out publicly questioning his own brother's common sense in tying the I ching to concepts of a historical time…

…in tying the I ching to concepts of a historical time wave all wrapped up with questionably qualified mathematics. I join with Dennis and enter my own plea to the seekers to move beyond the apocalypses on Tuesday fixation and get on with good visionary…

…before the whole workshop ends up. One of them is if you could talk a little bit about the tone that you and Dennis used to intercalate tryptamine molecules and DNA, how you decide to use it, that particular tone, if it's occurred again in your life,…

…the tone. About the tone. Well, this is a very specific question, but in the story that's told in the invisible landscape, Dennis seemed, as he went around the bend, to have insights into these, like, shamanic techniques that were real techniques, and that…

…I just always have. No, I think I'm pretty. Pretty healthy and fairly ordinary. It's a somewhat sensitive question because at one point Dennis claimed that the only thing that would ever happen to me was that my hair would get white and I'm waiting for…

…been said or. Feel free, don't be shy. This is your last crack at me. If I arrange things the way I think I have. Dennis, I woke up this morning and replaced all my things. And how could you tell? Just something's wrong with it. You mean a slight…

…see why. But here's an incident that happened at La Terrera. That didn't make it into the invisible landscape. I don't believe Dennis had this notion of what he called the good shit. This developed in the days after the ideas about hypercarbolation. And…