…Anna, also for bringing that in. And I also saw when you when I saw another conversation of you that you quoted Andreas Weber, who is a biologist from Germany who really writes and thinks very deeply about the emotionality of everything and how much…

…to subjectivity, meaning, and the whole context in which change is happening. And I'm interested in alternatives, or what Andreas Weber calls the enlivenment worldview, which brings in human relationships with the biosphere, with nature. It's very much linked…