…lost. Stand still, the forest knows where you are you must let it find you. Wonderful, thank you. Well thank you to David Wagner and the salish elders from the northwest. Well you give it life. But you know, the Zen Patriarchs used to say that if…

…how the question to me seems: how do you bring this drama into the art? I mean I heard this thing the other day that Wagner did that for opera, in that he brought together theater and art and poetry and music onto the stage and brought music into a…

…impedance, a resistance to imagination. So the creative imagination manifest most profoundly by people like Euler, like Beethoven like Wagner. This imagination should of course be functioning in everyone, but people have a resistance to their own creative…

…ideas, lots of screwballs have attained great success with their ideas. You know you don't want to look too hard at newton or Wagner or Thomas Aquinas or anybody else so the squirrel test or the fluff test is insufficient. Well so then what are you left…

…that we have such a tacky set of images. It could be epical. Imagine if we were 19th century germans. Television would be like Wagner. You just did it. I wanted you to switch and do a similar kind of historic analysis that you did for gnosticism and…

…gnosticism and for art and music and so on, overview and shifts. Well I don't claim to know a lot about music. What did Wagner represent for you? Well, Wagner comes late. What I would say about this? I think music is very important. We said in here on…

…music and so on, overview and shifts. Well I don't claim to know a lot about music. What did Wagner represent for you? Well, Wagner comes late. What I would say about this? I think music is very important. We said in here on a different day that…