…as a speaker at esalen in 1972 or 73 as a part of a shamanism seminar that Joan and her then husband Stan Grof organized. Apparently that event wasn't recorded. Of course it's no wonder that it wasn't recorded because in 1972 the recorders were pretty…

…other. I was groping for the Hebrew but not finding. Yes yeah, just want to follow up on that question a little bit. Stan Grof Describes LSD as a non specific amplifier, and by that he means it amplifies what's already existing in the psyche and he…

…becomes about meat and surgery and excrement and this and that and then I just say you know it's time for a j now Stan Grof would say you should go through these things and that this is important for your process. But you know I'm squeamish and enjoy…

…was groping for the Hebrew but not finding it. Yes, yeah I just want to follow up on that question a little bit. Stan Grof Describes LSD as a non specific amplifier, and by that he means it amplifies what's already existing in the psyche, and he uses…