…it's only, I mean, perhaps or somewhat marginal to all of this, but fun to talk about, is the magical flams that Sparrow mentioned. This is a... Well, here's the background information. They're persistent in the Amazon. Well, as you know, a lot of magic…

…the search for Ukuhe, but one of our motivations was to investigate this magical material. and to see if we could encounter it. Sparrow is the only person I've ever met who claims to have seen something blue come out of someone's mouth on an ayahuasca…