…permission for Earth day ecological sensitivity. Now the great philosopher of the psychedelic community to my mind, is Rupert Sheldrake, and Rupert is a botanist, a natural scientist, a man in the tradition of Darwin and WaLlACE we're trying to say. And…

…I mean, I have hard trips often, and the way I explain it to myself is, you know, I pretty much accept Rupert Sheldrake's notion of the morphogenetic field and feel like the psychedelics amplify the morphogenetic field of the totality. And, you know, why…

…in there. You know, it is beyond the ken of the human imagination. Why is it like that? Well, that's a very interesting question. Rupert says, I mean, this is just a stab at it, that these molecules not only give trips, they record them. And when you…

…permission for Earth day ecological sensitivity. Now the great philosopher of the psychedelic community to my mind is Rupert Sheldrake and Rupert is a botanist, a natural scientist, a man in the tradition of Darwin and WaLlACe we're trying to say. And what…

…world. You can sit on them and you can just hear them, you know, and feel them, really. I'm sure, you know, Rupert Sheldrake's theory? Well, it's basically the idea that things of, like, kind resonate together. And when I've thought about this problem…

…feel that it was a strong distinction. But the more time I've spent with it and the more time I've spent with Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphogenetic fields, the more I come to see that I really think there is a very large distinction between…

…in terms of the theory of morphogenetic resonance. It seems to me, you know, some of you probably follow Rupert's ideas and Rupert himself. The problem is that the morphogenetic field is very difficult for instruments to detect. And in fact, I think so…

…feel that it was a strong distinction. But the more time I've spent with it and the more time I've spent with Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphogenetic fields, the more I come to see that I really think there is a very large distinction between…

…at in terms of the theory of morphogenetic resonance. It seems to me you know some of you probably follow Rupert's ideas and Rupert himself the problem is that the the morphogenetic field is very difficult for instruments to detect and in fact I think so…

…Philosophy has in it this idea of what he calls epochs, and he says that what we call natural laws and this is Rupert echoes this as well that what we call natural laws should more properly be thought of as natural habits. And these natural habits…

…simply the artistic community because there has always been a bohemian community in science as well. Renegade scientists, the Rupert sheldrakes of the world represent essentially the denizens of scientific bohemia and someone could argue with this premise but…

…then a lower threshold for the psychedelic experience? This would be a reasonable expectation of his theory, the idea. See I mean Rupert is very serious with his idea but what bedevils it is that no one can detect the morphogenetic field and in fact…

…in the human emergence scenario, it would give tremendous permission for us to reconstruct our mythologies about ourselves. So I think Rupert is very definitely on to something and is a very psychedelic person. You don't dream this stuff up without doing…

…to do and that the resurrection of the dead would become a social project pursued with government funding. Well I don't think Rupert would agree that biology is entropic. The way biology works is by being what's called an open system far from equilibrium.…

…of Central Asia? Obviously it seems to me, it is to be seen by the very people who would then offer an explanation of it. Rupert and I have spent a fair bit of time trying to understand the psychology behind the crop circles and here we have come up…

…proclaim the eminence of some great event and they have come more and more out on this limb and what I speculated to Rupert was that mi5 which is British Intelligence, it's possible that they could actually view the new age as a resurgence of paganism…

…and it's a photographic subject and it's very accurate and so forth. So it's a big deal. So what I suggested to Rupert was Miti which is the ministry of trade and industry is obviously carrying on a clandestine project in the study of semiotics,…

…in other ways, then their commitment to a peculiar belief makes the belief suspect. But we tried to do a trialogue about this with Rupert and Ralph in Santa Cruz a few weeks ago and they both just climbed all over me and said it was a terrible method…

…downhill path to the present circumstance in the absence of psychedelics, there are some trilogues at the edge of the west you and Rupert talk about recyclization and one of the aspects of that is the visiting of the sacred sites and the taking of the…

…dosed, it's like raising a lighted match to greet a supernova. The basic paradox between traditional scientific thought and what Rupert is talking about you're talking about Abrams is talking about the people in quantum physics, gotswami and those guys…

…I sense is the dangerous area in the ideological zone there's just all kinds of unexamined shoddy intellectual goods on the market. Rupert and I Rupert Childrake was here a few weeks ago helping launch a new book that we wrote with Ralph Abraham and…

…of edgy science. And Dennett, who wrote consciousness explained was his name Dennis Dennett or Michael Dennett? Anyway he was there. Rupert said at one point his book should have been called consciousness explained away but as a biologist he was making this…

…us since the birth of Greek Medicine but people don't ever have that happen to them. So I think I talked to Rupert about this, his idea, which is possible certainly. He calls it a necrotogen yes, necrotogen, meaning that it's something which is released…

…always is an excuse to suspend the ordinary rules of engagement and party down as much as we can with these wonderful people. And Rupert and I have not seen each other for ten months or so. He flew in from Vancouver this afternoon I saw he and jill…

…rooms is much more exciting even without the dope smoking than what goes on in the public lecture situation. So the idea was for Rupert and I to get together again, get to catch up again and to have you as part of the extended family participate in…

…morphogenetic fields and psychedelic experiences, as a kind of effort to Split the deck two ways equally, although in the past Rupert and I have participated at esalen we spent a very interesting afternoon talking about the theory of formative causation and…

…situation because powerful mathematical tools have had to be invented to carry it out of the realm of mere theoretical discussion. Rupert has been, I think the most radical of all the people who have proposed a revisioning of causality and by extension…

…is both simultaneously true to felt experience and confounding to the scientific paradigm as it has been waged since bacon, essentially. So Rupert is with us tonight. He will tell you, I hope the state of the art in terms of experiments and the public…

…field is not subject to the inverse square law of decreased influence over distance, then I as a layman don't see why, Rupert we couldn't locate it at the conclusion of process. Because one of the things that's always puzzled me about the big bang…

…I know what you'd say: it's too obvious. It's what anyone would say: go for the Renaissance money. Something is happening again. Maybe Rupert should tell us about the raves going on in London. I don't know about that. I certainly think that the year 2000…

…process this morning which of course if I risk this might fail. So the first story took place a year ago and Terrence and Rupert were involved in no part of this story. I was sitting in my office with my secretary, Nina, about a year and a half…

…unfortunately or kindly, remembered me shortly after this second accident in my story I was in hollyhock, the esalen of the far north, with Rupert and some others of you here and I had a kind of psychotic break in the night I couldn't sleep and I was…

…knew that my fears had kind of blown up unnecessarily. But I needed someone to talk to the person I knew best there was Rupert and he was very busy in council with various friends but eventually I took Rupert Aside and I confided to him this secret…

…to talk to the person I knew best there was Rupert and he was very busy in council with various friends but eventually I took Rupert Aside and I confided to him this secret and all my fears and his response within a day or two was to repeat the…

…chapter 15 roop. Here's another one. Then in the rebirth of nature, the final paragraph of the entire book entitled a New Renaissance Rupert says: as soon as we allow ourselves to think of the world as alive, we recognize that a part of us knew this…

…the one who was the driver and obviously in charge went up and started talking to the police. Then he saw me, he said Rupert and I said johannes and it turned out that we knew each other. He was someone called the baron johannes Von Butterlar, Who's…

…drop their minoltas, rush into the fields, and in a few minutes because the famous story that's always told is the story, as Rupert told it about this Japanese Team and they studied and studied and they had infrared and they were and then lo and behold,…

…attention at point a. Then the ninja stem snapping team launches its attack and there you have this great mystery. That's what Rupert did when he was conducting his contest. Was he conducting his contest in the next morning over in the other field? Was…

…put forth explanations for the UFO Phenomenon in a much more serious vein than you're. You're not taking this he's aging serious. Rupert described this as a palpable phenomenon and I guess maybe the UFO Phenomenon is less palpable. Well I liked it when it…

…Michels and these people. They said all these things over and over in print. I don't know what they say now that Rupert has secured the fact that in fact Americans and helicopter mechanics not two sets known for their perspicacity are perfectly capable of…

…that actions and situations in the past are able, through the mere act of having happened, to shape future and present events. Rupert this immense baroque building is the museum of natural history in Prague and I wanted to bring you here because I thought…

…collectivism I mean social collectivism. The first great name that you encounter in the modern era, broadly speaking when we and Rupert mentioned by chance this morning this name, is that of Thomas Hobbes, the great theoretician of social. Paranoia is always…

…and think well, yeah this is Santa Cruz this must be Santa Cruz, this is the real Santa Cruz. What do you think, Rupert? Well, the question really is I mean changing minds. You were talking about the butterfly wing effect. The question is if we change…

…000 years ago which is of interest to us because we're in one now and the question is: what was it caused by? And Rupert proposed that you would of course answer the psilocybin mushroom on the plains of Africa, but you didn't. And the need to think…

…And what do you propose? Well you work with youth I guess whether you're interested in talking with younger people and Rupert I know that you're particularly active in education through the existence of your children who are now subject to the educational…

…at the level of the novelty wave. I think that the DNA is divine. Ah, but William of Ockham escaped from his trap. Rupert, what do you as a middleman think. You see I can't quite get your position because the new hard nosed skeptic that you're…

…question not terribly relevant but I like talking about my friends. Can you talk a little about your association with Rupert Sheldrake? Rupert is a good friend of mine he and Ralph Abraham and I are writing a book together. He's the morphogenetic field…

…authors on one book and co conspirators in more plots than can be told, visited me, and Ralph has now left the university. Rupert has given all hope of ever being accepted by the British Scientific establishment. If you add our ages and divide by three…

…of a wheat stalk, you can throw the switch on a machine. The ministry of defense would go crazy if this were real. One theory Rupert and I came up with is it's called the out on a limb theory, which is: it is possible that inside mi5, which is…

…of reality through reason has revealed that reason has no place in the domain of reality that reality itself is not reasonable. Rupert was just describing to me a conference he explained you probably all know that book and it should have been called…

…fortunate. Once I was in England and I ran into somebody I hadn't seen for 20 years and I was amazed and I said to Rupert: how often does one get a chance to meet someone one hasn't seen for 20 years? And he said: well I dare say I suppose…

…always is an excuse to suspend the ordinary rules of engagement and party down as much as we can with these wonderful people. And Rupert and I have not seen each other for ten months or so. He flew in from Vancouver this afternoon. I saw he and jill…

…is much more exciting, even without the dope smoking, than what goes on in the public lecture situation. So the idea was for Rupert and I to get together again, get to catch up again and have you as part of the extended family participate in this.…

…morphogenetic fields and psychedelic experiences, as a kind of effort to Split the deck two ways equally, although in the past Rupert and I have participated at esalen we spent a very interesting afternoon talking about the theory of formative causation and…

…situation, because powerful mathematical tools have had to be invented to carry it out of the realm of mere theoretical discussion. Rupert has been, I think the most radical of all the people who have proposed a revisioning of causality and by extension…

…is both simultaneously true to felt experience and confounding to the scientific paradigm as it has been waged since bacon essentially. So Rupert is with us tonight. He will tell you, I hope, the state of the art in terms of experiments and the public…

…can get the. I'll hand them all around and you can get addresses off of them if you want. This is Rupert's new book. Rupert is Rupert Sheldrake it's just begun to be distributed. He is going to make a revolution in thinking about resonance and form and…

…very kind to our concern. The psychedelics are much more centrally important to understanding in a morphic resonance theory of nature. So Rupert is just a brilliant writer, even more brilliant than he is a talker and this is a delicious book to just read…

…do with revisioning society by looking at ancient models of how men and women arranged social structure in the past. And like Rupert this is a book with a secret agenda. This book is a tracking horse for a new respectability for psychedelics because when…

…ourselves that we know what's going on. In England and so one time I flew over to England to experience a crop circle and Rupert and I flew down having heard the news that one had recently appeared we flew down the motorway in his car and we…

…cut little ice until a Jeep arrived, out of which jumped a German Baron with about ten German Photographers who immediately said: Rupert came after me and turned to the police and said: if there's one scientist in England who can explain these, it's Dr…

…is more likely Doug and Dave may be a stretch of the imagination. Telluric forces intent on saving the world is highly improbable. So Rupert and I we went to work on this because I felt, see there's something it plays with people in the way that flying…

…of Einstein and other physicists for a unified field theory is an expression of the universal urge for progress and here we have Rupert I think lusting after this unification that I think is a really maybe this is a really good idea if we can put…

…of the end. Of cosmologies, there is no end. And of apocalypses, there is no end. I think it might be useful, Rupert, to think about the habits of electromagnetic nature and the behavior of the electromagnetic field evolving according to habits of the…

…of course this is not true at all. We are completely now infected by these hidden assumptions. What do you make of this, Rupert? Well I like the idea of the re emergence of the unconscious. It reminds me, presumably of the prototypic image of the…

…visual mathematics visible mathematics for the first time in a long while on a public scale on t shirts and so on as Rupert said. So I think that it's true that mathematics is one key area which is saved from oblivion by the computer revolution making…

This is an experiment. It's also sort of living theater because Rupert and Ralph and I have by natural inclination been discussing the kind of things we're going to discuss this weekend privately and with each other in many circumstances in all times of…

…inimitable style, is very dear to my heart because they dovetail and support each other. We're both rowing our canoes the same way, Rupert, and our colleague of many years standing in my acquaintance since 1972, a hell raiser from the 60s, a man who well…

…exactly explain to you why this is so. Then I became interested in other views of time and elaborated my own theory, which Rupert mentioned, about novelty. I began to see that what I was groping toward was the notion that time is not a flat plane…

…now and by him I mean only the tiny iota of him, which is this crusty little theory out of which we make our bread. Rupert, I read the new science of life and had read all the other radical biology which preceded it and knew that there hadn't been…

…to Ralph, in terms of the way the weekend will be structured and to give us something to hang all this on, Rupert mentioned the triadic structure of the dialogues and that he would be representing the creative evolutionary impulse. I will represent the…

…so is at this moment opaque. But certainly their founding role in modern science makes this highly suggestive. Yes, you know, Rupert mentioned angels in context with the intelligence of the sun, and I was thinking about evolution, that the so called…

…idea of life as a kind of mogul potentate with all desires fulfilled. More abstract versions of heaven seem to imply, as Rupert said, a passing of the human form into higher and higher states of vibration. Heaven apparently has the character of music of…

…of political hells. So heaven is apparently an ideal best left to its realization in a realm beyond three dimensional space and time. Rupert I liked your idea to re sacralize the sky, but I like better the idea of heaven as a personal state. There could…

…more than three dimensional it could be located in space and still not exactly be three dimensional. I think what I hear Rupert implying is something like the traditional polynesian idea that to get to heaven you have to swim through the spiral of the…

…is. You'd think that you'd have to put ice packs on your head for a week after this and instead it's completely gone. So Rupert and I, in talking about this he developed the idea of what he called a necrotic compound. He thinks that DMT, that at death…

…was muddy the waters well it did one good thing: it finished the. It can't be done by human beings position. You know, Rupert and all these people Rupert believe it or not is the plant pathologist who serves on the board of the seriologist, which is…

…it did one good thing: it finished the. It can't be done by human beings position. You know, Rupert and all these people Rupert believe it or not is the plant pathologist who serves on the board of the seriologist, which is the main publication that is…

…that were indistinguishable from the real thing, beautiful crop circles and I'm getting this from believers, you know this is what Rupert Reluctantly informed me of. I think that, and you know one theory is that it's a particle beam weapon being tested…

…in a whole different light. What we are are harmonic adumbrations of events in the past. Now this comes fairly close to Rupert Sheldrake's Notion, and we've talked a lot about this. What is absent in Rupert's Scheme is an explanation of novelty. What he…

…it's not really exactly a psychedelic but it is a synthetic for sure. What I'm more interested in and I think that Rupert Sheldrake's ideas open up a way to understand the difference is plant hallucinogens which have existed in living systems for millions…

…itza there were blue morning glories growing and I collected a number of seeds and we're growing it out in Hawaii because Rupert and I have an experiment going to see if in fact the morphogenetic field that the mayan consciousness as expressed in the…

…to challenge you both to lead to another level of discussion in the hermeneutical circle by considering ourselves in these traditions. Rupert responded by doing that and I think maybe when he at the end challenged you with a question perhaps you felt…

…models. The idea of time having a singularity at the beginning and a singularity at the end is one model of time and as Rupert has observed in the past when you believe in the big bang which you correctly pointed out is extremely improbable if you can…

…to do and that the resurrection of the dead would become a social project pursued with government funding. Well I don't think Rupert would agree that biology is entropic. The way biology works is by being what's called an open system far from equilibrium.…

We decided that Rupert would uh kick off this morning, and uh so he shall. So Terence I want to start by explaining what I think the problem is that we're discussing, because I think if we try and summarize it and get it clearer, it should be easier…

…field is not subject to the inverse square law of decreased influence over distance, then I as a layman don't see why, Rupert, we couldn't locate it at the conclusion of process because you know one of the things that's always puzzled me about the…

…my mind this is the divine imagination this is what Blake called it this is the only way I can conceive of it that Rupert and I were chatting last night in our room about the aboriginal nature of god, this idea which is built into Whitehead, that…

…that the laws of nature can be used for purposes of prediction and control within the kind of developing evolutionary cosmology that Rupert has expressed. All right well then, yes, I mean the thing is that there are two theological views you see that are…

…of science who doesn't care about the application but wants to know. You know is this or is this not in fact? So Rupert is suggesting that laws are habits and that habits change over time. They're incremental. Therefore in his view no law is in fact…

…for me to relax on a fairly massive scale in order to regain novelty in my approach. Hmm, how does it work for you, Rupert in the process of relating to the problem of creativity? Well I think there are two things I'd say. One is that it seems…

…with their habitual smoking. Umm this is a different, a slightly more mild form of this negative effect of of that Rupert described in India where where people are umm truly addicted, addicted of some human state that I think requires taking a…

…world I mean we represent values which are incomprehensible to educated Europeans. One thing that occurs to me that I'm sure Rupert would have enthusiasm for because it involves his grassroots science thing: this question of: does it make you lazy, does it…

…be gourmet growers using special methods and like wine you mean like wine exactly well but then you have these problems which Rupert is pointing out that once more it's handed over to Madison Avenue to be turned into something where they can't simply say…

…it's fairly harmless but in America Religion leads to hangings in my experience well, the episcopal church in America in particular since Rupert said they're ordaining women that seems to be a really major change and maybe if this were the case in England…

…language, a language of integration and control and emotion and all this would have I think, a tremendous appeal. That's why Rupert is so keen for this ayahuasca cult coming out of Brazil, because on one level it's simply preserve the rainforest, help…

…a very deep creole a rental in the morphogenetic field of a depth of three to five Waddington's. Well this is a unit that Rupert and I have worked out for measuring the depth of Reynolds. So we've got a really it's not only a personal failing if you…

…The Waddington's, they just want to hear the word feeling a line from talent's current book their habits. Habits according to Rupert are tunnels they're you know, deeply worn paths labyrinths in the morphogenetic field. But habits is a habit. There's a…

…frequency, the annual or the you know but there's. Since Waddington introduced the concept creole in connection with embryology as Rupert has explained, we thought it appropriate to take his name like resistance, ohm you know there's Maxwell's Henry's, There's…

…the problem. We had the painting of the earth god what is her name? The Catholic the virgin of Guadalupe of Guadalupe, Yes. So Rupert took me into the church of holy cross in Santa Cruz where there was a shrine of our lady of the virgin of Guadalupe…

…about this that seem to me to argue very, very strongly that it is a hoax. First of all, and in your description of it Rupert there were all the if it is shown to be a hoax, we could replay the tape of your description of it and it's consistent…

…done. Yes but that's very clever of it to always be invisible or very necessary for it to keep from blowing its own cover. Rupert said it's discussed by all and everyone in the UK. That is obviously the intent of whatever is behind it. He said it…

…and as a potential disinformation tool to be used against their enemies. And in spite of the fact that in other discussions Rupert has somewhat disparaged is it mi5? Yes the world reputation of mi5 is that it contains some of the subtlest thinkers that…

…drugs, our general commitment to the idea that science is inadequate to describing reality and all of these. What it is, Rupert is it's a war between pagan thought. It's an ideological war between pagan thought and straight people, the Church of England,…

…on just how hoaxes it escapes the trap you see, it gives credibility to the gullible you should lead them out of the trap Rupert before it's too late. This is what I intend to try and get the centre for crop surface studies to Mount next year. This,…

…children to try to proceed from the green belt to the brown belt and so on, and it also is, as you correctly pointed out Rupert is the system that we have in today's educational Factory. So I think that this is excellent as far as it goes and I like…

…like that, and I think we do and I think we do all the time, but somehow our perception of what's been going on is skewed. Rupert and I talked a lot about this. He had the idea that he said the search for proof of psychic power has not been a very…

…the search for proof of psychic power has not been a very happy story with card flipping and this sort of thing. And Rupert had the genius to realize that what is the commonest psychic power that we all believe exists and have experienced and so forth…

…that you're doing something with Sheldon right could you comment on that? I'd like to know. Well are you all familiar with Rupert Sheldrake's work? Sheldrake is a British Biologist Who's written a number of books. His first book was called a new science…

…which are otherwise very difficult for biology to explain. But it raises also a bunch of issues that are pretty tricky. And so Rupert and I have been close friends for years, and even longer I've been tight with a mathematician in Santa Cruz named Ralph…

…for years, and even longer I've been tight with a mathematician in Santa Cruz named Ralph Abraham Who's a chaos dynamicist and Ralph and Rupert and I did a book together called trilogues at the edge of the west which will be out at the end of the…

…man cry, because you know I mean he is devastated. But and then you know this is just one of moments. You know Rupert, my comrade in arms sheldrake, was one of the people who sponsored the contest that basically put the crop circles out of business…

…the world you can sit on them and you can just hear them you know and feel them really. I'm sure you know Rupert Sheldrake's theory. Well it's basically the idea that things of like kind resonate together and when I thought about this problem before…

…destroyed the religion, but they intermarried they had children. Both of them are our ancestors. You may be familiar with Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance that habits of nature and culture get transmitted by repetition. That means the morphic…

…where we can look into the unconscious and regain. I mean dream analysis just doesn't really do it for people. Well your idea, Rupert about the age related re establishment of shamanic sacraments might come in here. I think so. Yes this is the idea that…

…a morphogenetic impulse of its own as a morphogenesis. I would be interested in what you have to think about it and Rupert as the proponent of the morphogenetic field I wonder how this fits into your experience. Is it relevant, irrelevant, a shining…

…too far into statistical analysis of nature then we begin to cut away at our own beliefs and assumptions about nature yours Rupert of the morphogenetic field, mine of novelty theory, and there must be some aspect of all this that we've threatened you,…

…be shuttled aside as wolpert shuts aside Rupert's idea of the botacubetic field. What is it that science hates? Besides Rupert does science hate homeopathy, acupuncture or alternative medicine altogether science hates co fusion. I mean there are certain things…

…I guess hasn't been done yet and that is to solve the problem: how this plan is to be implemented. So although I agree with Rupert that not wanting to insult the entity, in fact as the plan is not very original, still I'm going to suggest that you go…

…less and have more money? Well I think there might be a solution to this problem but I doubt that's it. I think that Rupert is right. There's a preference based on actual experience for two not for two, for zero or two. What we would need here is…

…planetary behavior. Certainly the physical sciences have hogged more than their share of the national budgets for science and as Rupert pointed out at the beginning, the growing tendency of biological science to imitate this bad strategy of the physical…

…it slides over into a kind of metaphysics that's very traditional for mathematicians. You see we've got to have a talk about this Rupert and we've got to have a talk about it right now because no matter how many Times I try to correct this, you…

…world soul had no chance of existence until the big bang provided matter and energy or something. I just can't buy this, Rupert your suggestion that the world sensorium even should come into existence only after a big bang even though I'm doubtful about…

…How recognizable would it be to us as consciousness? I'm not sure. Also I'm not as interested as I think you are, Rupert in always dematerializing it. For instance yesterday you gave all these wonderful examples of processes on the earth which could be…

…in terms of the novelty wave, Universal Constants, morphogenetic fields and all that? I think that's where all our theories, at least Rupert and mine, become basically just chitchat. Your models seem to go out and well I think that we're all involved in a…

…Catholic so I'm ready to hang the pope. The question will be about polytheism. Pardon what do you mean by polytheism? Well see, I mean Rupert and I agree that what is needed is a revivification of old forms of ritual but when I say old I mean 15 000…

…about the heavens in this way as organic, integrated and animate makes that more probable then I'm all for it. I think Rupert you and I, and perhaps to some degree Ralph, come out of the influence of the school called organismic philosophy that Alfred…

…philosophy that Alfred North Whitehead and Joseph Needham and l l white put forth. Clearly the reason that organism you know Rupert made the very eloquent case for organismic organization at every level clearly the reason that's been unwelcome in science is…

…about the signal systems which hold these organisms together and that is pointing back toward a theme that I know is dear to Rupert he touched on it this evening which is the systematic elimination of spirit from any explanation of what nature is. I mean…

…in a crater on the moon and that this became a personal conviction of yours after performing the experiment suggested by Rupert, that during your travels you devote a certain amount of time to peering through the stellarator at different animal bodies and…

…risks more than simply individual development is to my mind, yes, well. So it falls to me to share with you my view of Rupert, who, I'm not sure when I first became aware probably it was the nature review, which I think Rupert should certainly be very…

…my view of Rupert, who, I'm not sure when I first became aware probably it was the nature review, which I think Rupert should certainly be very grateful to nature, because in their perverse way they saved him perhaps from obscurantism by calling for the…

…must have an intuition to the nature of scientific theory far beyond my own. I couldn't make the judgment at that stage. And then Rupert I believe it was through Ralph contacted me and came by bus to see me. I live in the wine country north of San…

…my vision of the European Academic was of a corculent elderly, animated person and I projected that and expected that. And when Rupert arrived and Ralph vectored in for that first meeting as well isn't that interesting, that's right and there he was, and…

…boars most of them and the higher they rise the more this quality seems exacerbated in their personality and I found Rupert to be an incredibly generous, intelligent, forgiving person. I feel very privileged to be in the presence of these people. I'm…

…seen 16000 of them, what does one look like? And and that will conclude my introduction and then I'll pass them on to Rupert. A good laboratory for the study of chaotic dynamics is the dripping faucet and the dripping faucet was discovered as the ideal…

…but I say I proclaim to you all it's impossible. I ever made it such a statement because as I've just explained to Rupert, I don't believe in the resonance between the models and the actuality of ordinary life. I think that it emerges. It evolves our…

…of these ideas. Is this the book that's come out of that? Well there were two of those books of dialogues or trilogues with Rupert and Ralph. The first one was called trilogues at the edge of the west and the new one is called the evolutionary mind…

…politesse would be all right. I don't know what it's like here. I said all these things I'm saying to you now to Rupert recently and he said, well, you're just... you know, sinking in Malibu-itis. He said in an average English pub, if somebody started…

…And... And so it's just a matter of, you know, how do you tell? And I have this argument with Ralph all the time and Rupert because they're both softer than I am. And I'm getting more hard-boiled in my old age because I see how a lot of people take…

…about to take one more step but it's too early to tell. Let me just respond for one minute then we'll see what Rupert thinks of this. I'm afraid I'm basically so pessimistic I can't really dispute this or go on. Nevertheless for the sake of theory…

…rolled down the corn circle. They came to the river. They sat on the edge dangling their feet under the stream. Look, said Rupert, a sandy beach. Sure enough they saw there was a little tiny beach of sand. Terence said the land reaches down into the…

…sandy beach. Sure enough they saw there was a little tiny beach of sand. Terence said the land reaches down into the water and Rupert said no the water reaches up into the land. Ralph said it's both water and sand. It's the sandy beach. It's a fractal…

…beach. It's a fractal object. They stood then they walked in the stream. Look, said Terence, it circles to the left. No said Rupert, it circles to the right. It's turbulent flow, said Ralph It's a mathematical object it's chaos on the other side of the…

…on the other side of the stream there was no beach, there was a concrete wall. It was not a fractal object. Rupert said it's a straight line. Terence said it's a Bauhaus Excrescent of post linguistic humanoids thinking of peanut butter sandwiches. Then…

…Terence said it's a Bauhaus Excrescent of post linguistic humanoids thinking of peanut butter sandwiches. Then they walked back up the slope. Rupert said nature has given us a lesson, nature is our teacher and we have learned about the sandy beach. The sun…

…can become connected with as a collective community that we're all participating in. Can you elaborate on that? Well I've talked with Rupert a lot about this and sort of different things can be said. I mean one way of thinking about what the psychedelic…

…then secondly, do, in terms of the people that you communicate with who do measured quantities and who do it similarly, say Rupert Shelby, have other people have other individuals communicated that they see those same type of creatures for lack of a better…

…endless hallways lit by fluorescent lights and wonderful water coolers every 300 feet but there's nobody there. And I talked to Rupert about this because one of the things we've kicked around over the years is the idea that drugs are like morphogenetic…

…risks more than simply individual development. Is it too long? Yes, well so it falls to me to share with you my view of Rupert, who I'm not sure when I first became aware. Probably it was the nature review, which I think Rupert should certainly be very…

…my view of Rupert, who I'm not sure when I first became aware. Probably it was the nature review, which I think Rupert should certainly be very grateful to nature because in their perverse way they saved him perhaps from obscurantism by calling for the…

…have an intuition into the nature of scientific theory far beyond my own because I couldn't make the judgment at that stage. And then Rupert I believe it was through Ralph contacted me and came by bus to see me I live in the wine country north of San…

…my vision of the European Academic was of a corpulent, elderly, animated person and I projected that and expected that. And when Rupert arrived and Ralph vectored in for that first meeting as well isn't that interesting, that's right. And there he was, and…

…boors most of them, and the higher they rise the more this quality seems exacerbated in their personality. And I have found Rupert to be an incredibly generous, intelligent, forgiving person and I feel very privileged to be in the presence of these people.…

…it does cause the to disappear. Exactly, it's not the solution, but it causes the question to go away. I wish I could say that Rupert and I had got together last night and try to predict what you would say then I would have bet on that, but still…

…we have a case here of multiple personality in action, and now I'm going to undertake to prove it. So we suppose that Rupert had in his book an eighth chapter on an experiment with homeopathic medicine and this experiment was done and the outcome of it…

…of Central Asia? Obviously it seems to me it is to be seen by the very people who would then offer an explanation of it. Rupert and I have spent a fair bit of time trying to understand the psychology behind the crop circles and here we have come up…

…proclaim the eminence of some great event. And they have come more and more out on this limb and what I speculated to Rupert was that mi5, which is British Intelligence, it's possible that they could actually view the new age as a resurgence of paganism…

…and it's a photographic subject and it's very accurant and so forth so it's a big deal. So what I suggested to Rupert was Miti, which is the ministry of trade and industry, is obviously carrying on a clandestine project in the study of semiotics…

…have looked at. Certainly, hippies in the 1960s and people since have made very good use of argyria as a visionary vehicle. Rupert and I, Rupert Sheldrake and I have talked a lot about this, about the morphogenetic field of a shamanic plant without a…

…the development of events and what this signifies is a new way of thinking about time and it's all very much in flux. Rupert is a true a true great scientist and gentleman. If the theory of morphic resonance can be overthrown, it will be and he…

…question. Well one of the best people, one of the very, very best people that I've found in the so called new age is Rupert Rupert Sheldrake. He and I are tight and we've spent a lot of time just pushing these ideas around. Ultimately, I think probably…

…the development of events. And what this signifies is a new way of thinking about time and it's all very much in flux. Rupert is a true a true great scientist and gentleman. If the theory of morphic resonance can be overthrown, it will be and he…

…quality and that this quality so far introduced as novelty and it's opposite and I used to call it's opposite entropy but at Rupert Sheldrake's I now call it habit. So this is a kind of manichaean cosmology in which habit and novelty are in a constant…

…what biology is doing there. Well I know prygosian only slightly informally. My great intellectual comrade in arms is Rupert Sheldrake, and Rupert, this is his bailiwick as well, because what he is saying in a slightly different voice, is that nature is a…

…I called the counterpoise of novelty, logically I think, entropy, which is a familiar concept in physics well understood mathematically. But Rupert convinced me that habit was a much more applicable idea and novelty is easy to understand but hard to define.…

…three degrees centigrade. We're not talking thousands of a degree here we're talking about all over the map kind of stuff. Rupert studied this, you know got a complete set of the 20th century's published melting points and you know what is chromium…

…all famous but the trial log of 1998 at uc Santa Cruz and in the movie yesterday you could see the picture of Ralph and Rupert and Terence on stage that's from that trial log from uc Santa Cruz. And this is where and I've spoken with Ralph about this…

…that trial log from uc Santa Cruz. And this is where and I've spoken with Ralph about this event this is where both Rupert and Ralph said enough, we're drawing the line in the sand. This stuff has just become elaborated and elaborate and elaborate over…

…the world you can sit on them and you can just hear them you know and feel them really. I'm sure you know Rupert Sheldrake's theory. Well it's basically the idea that things of like kind resonate together. And when I've thought about this problem before,…