…what they are. So, you know, one of the arguments I have with a colleague of ours who was not mentioned here particularly, but Ron Siegel, he tries to say what we need is a new drug. The drugs are great, it's just that we don't have one that's…

…a genetic proclivity for boundary dissolution. And this is the key to understanding our fascination with addiction. You know, this guy, Ron Siegel wrote this book about how animals love to get stoned, and so they do. I mean, elephants like rotted papaya…

…centrality of the phenomenon of addiction in human beings is a clue to our origins or the origins of what we call humanness. Ron Siegel was at great pains to inform us that elephants will push down walls to get to rotting papaya and so forth and so…

…you know what they are. So one of the arguments I have with a colleague of ours who was not mentioned here particularly, but Ron Siegel. He tries to say what we need is a new drug, that drugs are great it's just that we don't have one that's perfect.…