…in his song? Ezra Pound and TS Eliot fighting in the captain's tower? But yes. So I don't know if that answered your question, Robin, but I wanted to, to get it in because the real meat for most people for this idea about time is not the mathematics…

…much about it after where it's been, but it certainly was compelling while it was going on, and, well, I don't know, Robin, you're such a skillful questioner. You've brought yourself to the doorway of my most recent mania. Maybe I should unburden myself…

…so. I know there are people with questions before I take questions. I was handed an Express mail package in the intermission. Robin sylvan, who some of you may know as the former director of the ojai foundation, is now running something called the…