…at that moment, Steiger stops by the table to shake hands with everybody there. And I'm like, and true story. True story. And Ralph, who's watched this whole thing go down, leans across the room, leans across the table to me and says, what this proves…

…was the. And I could never really find my way back, you know, which is a typical phenomenon of higher dimensional phase space. Ralph taught me, you know, doing the reverse of what you did doesn't steer you back to where you started. You have to find…

…Alphabet as a object in hyperspace. Slice it this way, aleph this way, bet this way, you know, and so on. I told Ralph about this Abraham, and he said, whoa, no problem. We could write a computer program that could take the letters of any language…

…the website. In other words, I will write a defense. Watkins will restate the objection and the formulas that back it up. Ralph will weigh in. Broadwell will weigh in. Who was the primary programmer? Peter Meyer will weigh in, who was the C implementer?…

…method, the nature of falsification, etcetera, etcetera, and decide where we are with this. So far, I'm the most alarmed person. Ralph said, you know, it's just Watkins objection. And then told a story about Rene Tom, who created a whole system of…

…classic Maya. So what is becoming apparent more and more, and through the work of people like, on one level, Ralph Abraham's archaeomathematical archaeology and Sheldrake's morphogenetic field, is that there is a reality which we're not seeing, which is we…

…The reward of alchemistic effort has been simply stated as the effort to achieve the transmutation of base metals into gold. But as Ralph pointed out just a bit ago this is not the actual reward. The value was the doing and the redoing and the redoing…

…Thanks very much very interesting stuff that was great, thank you. Do we have an answer to dan Quayle? Step up a little bit more, Ralph. In fact if you want to sit on the table and get casual, get those shoes. Yeah let's do a pan up. No they're…

…ordinary mathematical object that is a known quantity. Well essentially this was like telling your dog to Split the atom. It was like: Great Ralph, thanks I think you'll have any time in the next few months to put in on this. And so I sat with it for…

…streets that this was the and I could never really find my way back which is a typical phenomenon of higher dimensional phase space Ralph taught me you know doing the reverse of what you did doesn't steer you back to where you started. You have to find…

…Hebrew Alphabet as an object in hyperspace. Slice it this way aleph this way bet this way. You know and so on. I told Ralph about this Abraham and he said: whoa no problem we could write a computer program that could take the letters of any language…

…species we are probably the only one and this bears directly on the hallucinogen question. A professor of mine years ago Ralph Audy at uc med center. His theory was that hallucinogens are what he called exopheromones. A pheromone is a chemical message…

…in press method and body works and I'm a writer and I came down here from Boulder Colorado. My name is Ralph Knautscher. I also work with Baer Company publishers. I'm a longtime psychedelic explorer and interested in history and probably disguised as…

…can be used to try and map out the human condition. The emergence of the feminine in this cybernetic matrix and Ralph made this point yesterday is paralleled by these breakthroughs in mathematics. Really, cybernetics is simply a branch of applied mathematics…

…little you know begging the question. And also the cybernetic revolution is going to allow the modeling through things like what Ralph is doing and Ralph Didn't even talk yesterday about his Hollywood project is going to allow the modeling of psychedelic…

…the question. And also the cybernetic revolution is going to allow the modeling through things like what Ralph is doing and Ralph Didn't even talk yesterday about his Hollywood project is going to allow the modeling of psychedelic states and even theoretical…

…can be used to try and map out the human condition. The emergence of the feminine in this cybernetic matrix and Ralph made this point yesterday is paralleled by these breakthroughs in mathematics. Really cybernetics is simply a branch of applied mathematics…

…little you know. Begging the question and also the cybernetic revolution is going to allow the modeling through things like what Ralph is doing and Ralph Didn't even talk yesterday about his Hollywood project is going to allow the modeling of psychedelic…

…the question and also the cybernetic revolution is going to allow the modeling through things like what Ralph is doing and Ralph Didn't even talk yesterday about his Hollywood project is going to allow the modeling of psychedelic states and even theoretical…

…that I will not and could not apply that money toward but that I apply my own money toward publishing I'm thinking of. Ralph is in the same position. You're probably in the same position we all have starved to death little ventures. Which piddle along…

…a hottentot to fly supersonically or something. I had no clue. I am not a mathematician I had no clue and I was sort of hoping Ralph would do it for me. You know that I could con some smart guy into doing it for me so that's where it's sat for a…

…at that moment Steiger stops by the table to Shake hands with everybody there and I'm like and true story, true story. And Ralph, Who's watched this whole thing go down, leans across the room leans across the table to me and says what this proves is…

…ways, then their commitment to a peculiar belief makes the belief suspect. But we tried to do a trialogue about this with Rupert and Ralph in Santa Cruz a few weeks ago and they both just climbed all over me and said it was a terrible method and that…

…in the streets and I could never really find my way back you know which is a typical phenomenon of higher dimensional phase space, Ralph taught me. You know doing the reverse of what you did doesn't steer you back to where you started. You have to find…

…Hebrew Alphabet as an object in hyperspace slice it this way, aleph this way, bet this way you know and so on. I told Ralph about this Abraham and he said: whoa no problem, we could write a computer program that could take the letters of any language…

…than enough challenges there to keep all the star wars guys busy for the next millennium for crying out loud: yeah I agree. Well Ralph I'm having a good time. Good I'm glad you're having a good time. That's a good rave. You'll see yourself in lights at…

…an esalen hung on the cliffs of big sur, with us sitting in a room inside discussing the matter. Rupert Terrence, I'm Ralph Creation imagination my mask is chaos. Creation imagination: my mask is chaos. In my early LSD experiences I seemed to see motifs…

…in this large 1956 Buick we headed off into the woods in Sonoma County where Terence lives and there I met both Terence and Ralph who was there for the day. I found that part of my interest in these other realms of reality of course like many people…

…in nature a theory about the quality of time and the creative process as it is related to the ongoing flux of events. And Ralph had a kind of mathematical theory which was just the kind of thing that the view of nature I was trying to develop needed:…

…view of nature which dressed up in the guise of mathematical models which I found most fascinating, and so for me the meeting with Ralph and Terence was a step further towards seeing how one could begin to dream of a world in which nature was seen as…

…new way in which things happen, and this is after all where we're all spending a lot of our time. The models that Ralph is working with show that the world is not an engine running down toward a heat death but a tremendous kaleidoscope of unpredictable,…

…two systems are nakedly exposed in their opposition to each other. It seems to me and it sort of comes out of what Ralph talked about this morning, that in trying to get a general overview of what these bifurcations are that loom in the future they…

…I think that we need a large number of people who read as a hobby or something meanwhile. But don't you think, Ralph that that's actually a kind of amnesia? It's not that they're illiterate. Illiterate is when you don't know the difference between…

…there are these elements that amplify infinitely the bad uses for some kind of piracy, I guess. But I'd like to defend Ralph to you Rupert I don't think that it's really a journey deeper into artificiality I mean science has been dependent on…

…and it is a large step towards a Universal Language. We don't know how to use it yet. Why do you call it a language, Ralph? Why do I call it a language, the language of mtv? Doesn't it have to communicate to be a language? Well, yes, I think it's…

…known quite what that means and all sorts of strange things happen in association with the crop circles, as three of us here Joel, Ralph and I were part of one of these we went to see Ralph was visiting England last summer. We went to see some crop…

…association with the crop circles, as three of us here Joel, Ralph and I were part of one of these we went to see Ralph was visiting England last summer. We went to see some crop circles near Avebury. There were some quite big formations in the field.…

…jumped out and we found ourselves surrounded by the police. I then tried to explain to them we were investigating this phenomenon that Ralph was a professor of chaos at the University of California, Oh god. And it soon dawned on us that they thought that…

…am puzzled by the eagerness to line up with the flakiest explanations being offered. Use your explanation. Why isn't it as Ralph just put it why isn't it an example of the overmind communicating? I thought Ralph's Argument was at least intriguing. Well…

…to touch on this subject of the evolution of consciousness as it relates to machines. Now it may not come as a revelation to Ralph who has spent his life in mathematics, but it has certainly come to me recently as a revelation and I want to give…

…delusion and behind that delusion then pogroms, programs of genocide, arms races, sexism, racism all can operate very, very comfortably. Ralph Earlier mentioned love. Generally speaking, love is a boundary dissolving enterprise. So I think each of us the three…

…one regularly offered course of the university to enable students to learn science by doing research projects with psychic pets. Well, Ralph the university is the last place where you would look for this. The university is the manufacturer of these cultural…

…afoot in this country, behind which is the guiding genius of Ralph Abelham. So I think we should ask you this question, Ralph, since you've more experience than most of us. Well I'd rather that people with less experience speak about it, because my…

…I think it's a very limited part of what a mind does and I think, therefore that the premises on which this whole Ralph called it a fantasy a paranoid fantasy the premises on which this is based thanks for that. That helped. I think the premises…

…humanities ignored and downtrodden. And Ralph Abraham was sitting across the table watching me have this conversation and when Dr Steiger left, Ralph leaned over to me and he said: so you see Terence, the mushroom is telling you that it can reach out and…

…you stay just behind the lead bird you don't have to do much. You know you're just kind of riding along on the well and Ralph tells me to be third is the real good position. It's like being the young prince: you won't ever be King. Actually it was…

…Ralph Abraham who are my co authors on one book and co conspirators in more plots than can be told, visited me, and Ralph has now left the university. Rupert has given all hope of ever being accepted by the British Scientific establishment. If you add…

…since Plato. Of course the great victory of modernity is to disabuse ourselves of such naive notions, but they die hard. I think Ralph mentioned my latest book, and I don't intend to talk about the book in the whole thing not written by me. I now…

…into spaces of the mind that you won't forget. So with that I'll turn you over to Terence McKinnon. Well I want to thank Ralph for an introduction that will be hard to live up to. I want to commend Ralph and ciis for the act of intellectual courage…

…to Terence McKinnon. Well I want to thank Ralph for an introduction that will be hard to live up to. I want to commend Ralph and ciis for the act of intellectual courage that inviting me here represents. I'm sort of returning to my home turf after a…

…Before I make my way into tonight's subject, I'll cover what I think of as preliminaries and business. First of all, as Ralph said, this is the opening lecture of a weekend that will be conducted all day tomorrow and all day Sunday. In addition…

Well I think the question is about the t shirt I'm wearing, which I'm not sure Ralph realized. That's what the question was about. What t shirt, this t shirt? Umm well I'm not a Buddhist but I'm interested in the knot of eternity because another way of…

…something we talked about a lot yesterday. So I'll let Richard I'm afraid I've forgotten this discussion. What do you mean by that Ralph? We didn't talk about the emergence of new species. I think I'm going to interpret the question freely if I may. We…

…circles then my family has a bridge over the Hudson river that we will sell you. Cheese. First of all I should add one detail Ralph left out about this epiphany in the crop circle. We went to my wife chilled first. Ralph and I went to see it. We got…

…First of all I should add one detail Ralph left out about this epiphany in the crop circle. We went to my wife chilled first. Ralph and I went to see it. We got tired walking around. There were lots of crop circles and when we were in the middle of…

…which is supposed, by symmetry considerations, to be, at least originally, equal and opposite to matter. Yes, I see what you're saying. Ralph, how do you take to this? This discussion is very hypothetical. In fact, as hypotheses go, this is the big, bad,…

…not the electromagnetic field. Maybe he would say that it was the intermediary between the physical and the mental planes. But, Ralph, if you feel that the electromagnetic field is inadequate to what Rupert's asking of it, then you must be equally skeptical…

…were, by this other messenger. Well, it's interesting, this business of light. I've probably tried this out on you in the past, Ralph, but one of my cosmological fantasies of years past was, you know, there's this curious problem with the fact that the…

…can actually help the creative process as a kind of ongoing usage during this kind of creative process what do you think, Ralph? Well I think in the creation of a new program, let us say the first spreadsheet, the first text editor or something,…

…plenary volume of this global analysis conference which was really the climax of 1960s mathematics. Let me ask you a question, Ralph: do you think that the psychedelics propel you into the realm of mathematical truth in the ordinary sense that that's…

This is an experiment. It's also sort of living theater because Rupert and Ralph and I have by natural inclination been discussing the kind of things we're going to discuss this weekend privately and with each other in many circumstances in all times of…

…hell raiser from the 60s, a man who brought mathematics to a new fever pitch in the field of dynamics and systems modeling, Ralph has been sort of the rock of gibraltar of the psychedelic end of eggheadism, at least for many people that I've lived…

…in this large 1956 Buick we headed off into the woods in Sonoma County where Terence lives, and there I met both Terence and Ralph who was there for the day. We had a most interesting time. I found that part of my interest in these other realms of…

…creativity in nature, a theory about the quality of time and creative process as it is related to the ongoing flux of events. And Ralph had a kind of mathematical theory which was just the kind of thing that the view of nature I was trying to develop…

…view of nature which dressed up in the guise of mathematical models which I found most fascinating. And so for me the meeting with Ralph and Terence was a step further towards seeing how one could begin to dream of a world in which nature was seen as…

…extraordinary example of history itself being radically affected by an angelic visitation, similar to the angelic visitation to Mohammed that Ralph mentioned. So I think it's wrong to assume that the angels confine their activities to the world of religion,…

…this schizophrenia and put you in a small room and leave you there. But a fair reading, as you mentioned last night, Ralph of the history of modern science as presented by somebody like Thomas Kuhn, shows that the irrational in this objectified form is…

…out a different treaty than if all you understand is blowguns and canoe manufacture. Well that's where mathematical modeling comes in as Ralph must be thinking. Well, I confess that I do have in mind a mathematical model for the world, so spirit and…

…woke up and I could do it on the match my first phone call would be to my friend Ralph Metzner, Who's a shrink and I said, Ralph We've got a problem here. I this is, but if I may, and again I'm a guest here I don't know even who's here or who…

…this can be stopped, at least certainly not in a short. You're not considering this possibility that I mentioned at the beginning Ralph which is that there is this intuition is of something profound, that it isn't simply a lethal neurosis, it's the actual…

…offered to moderate with me and we'll see if we can't generate some fast paced repartee. Kihei has indicated a willing part. So, Ralph, Peter, Kath would you like to join? Well, maybe I'm close enough. Yeah, I don't know what this will be since I'm…

…this will be since I'm being reviewed. Well then don't say a word. I think it's rave to be rave. Why don't you begin, Ralph? Thank you, yeah we should do that. Why don't we introduce ourselves starting with my name's Adele Getty and what do you do?…

…just with a Face as being the meaning and the mathematical symbol of what we're doing. This is what I'd like to ask of Ralph, Apropos of your question, because he's dealing with math in terms of what I perceive to be faces and is there something that…

…that and so I didn't want any interpretive factor to vitiate the starkness of the notion of novelty up down yes or no, as Ralph says a point with an absolute number but what you're describing is certainly a way of using it a way of thinking of it…

…either extinction or transcendence you see that's what's not I mean it's clear, but then it's not clear I mean it's absolutely clear Ralph and I have been walking up and down the hill feeling sorry but it's clearer if you're a Bangladeshi or I mean this…

…as extension of your checking account to landing zone for alien intelligence, apocalyptic breakthrough or you know, trivial more techno worship. Ralph and I pretty much come from the same school of theology on this because we're very netted in. I couldn't…

…of us are there already. More of us will catch up in the next 18 months but when you start talking about you know Ralph thought the idea of downloading people into circuitry was out there a long way. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't. A few months ago…

…into a right relationship to the earth and the heavens. Well that is indeed the vision that lies behind my book which Ralph Rightly points out, and of course some of Terence's mixed in his thinking. Half of Terence's thinking is utopian, the other half…

…cultivation of mushrooms, the smoking of DMT and other psychedelic revival processes. Thus would dawn the psychedelic utopia. Well, and Ralph of course has another version of this the mathematical utopia, where the great regulative, eternal, if not eternal at…

…proposed by you we have ten minutes, okay very quickly. The true millenarian vision and the apocalyptic tradition is more like what Ralph says it's a period it's not a total. You know everything suddenly disappears in a blinding light. It's a period of…

…the term mascotonic or something like that. Yours is much more absolute. Yes right now I'm more inclined to traditional millenarianism like Ralph is a transitional period followed by some kind of kingdom of heaven on earth, and what I think the kingdom of…

…system in which more advanced forms of order actually influence previous states of organization? This is what is emerging in Ralph Abraham's work with the chaotic attractors. They are attractors, that means that they exert influence on less organized states…

…substances. Well given all these facts and given the strong case you make for its benevolent effects what I'm interested in is why Ralph, who was also present on the scene in the 1960s and is no enemy of the effect of psychedelics has spent so many…

…the resurrection of the hemp industry worldwide, how can we bring this to a conclusion? Well I think you just did, Ralph. There you have it. Part of the pursuit of human freedom, part of citizenship and responsible adulthood and responsible government means…

…to authenticate, feed and give life to a burgeoning of that aspect of the thing now when that's what's needed. Yes well it seems, Ralph You're sort of advocating this. Well I'm asking is it possible? I'm not sure. Well what I was going to say was, you…

…something further. I think it's in good shape unless you feel a summary coming on and I'll just shut up. Well a diagram. Ralph has this great thing to turn everything into diagrams, yes well we have a diagram in mind definitely. We have, through poking…

…here is in everyday life in the dimension in which we find ourselves. I would like to sort of expand on what Ralph has been saying with my own perspective on it. Chaos is feminine, chaos is intuitional, chaos has a very flirtatious relationship with…

…keep up with it. We start off with chaos not being with any negative connotation but just the yawning void in fact, as Ralph explained, something like the sky. Then it's the great womb, perhaps or the source of all things or whatever. It then gets…

…at other times they emphasize the other. And I think in most discussions of creativity one gets into this unstable oscillation. Ralph has it too of course, because chaos on the one hand is this chaotic indeterminate process which in some sense liberates…

…and the imagination that is going to take place at the joint where the handle attaches to the basket. Yes I wanted to say, Ralph that reminded me that it was good that you mentioned elusives and I agree with Ralph that this was a great turning point…

…basket. Yes I wanted to say, Ralph that reminded me that it was good that you mentioned elusives and I agree with Ralph that this was a great turning point and a cultural episode not frequently enough discussed, that this thousands and thousands of years…

…that mind and yet it still has the character of a language it's like the Hebrew Alphabet, that mystical idea of an alphabet. No Ralph and I have talked about stuff like this, about you probably know or have heard of this guy Stan Tanner. Yes yes well…

…where he has this shape and as you illuminate it from different angles you get different Hebrew Letters cast as shadows. So Ralph said this implied then that there was this hyper object which cast all these shadows and he said, given sufficient computing…

…outside it with him. So say that it was your family field you choose someone to represent you oh, I see so there'd be Ralph in there and so you're sitting back and telling him you now see Ralph in the relationship and it's from outside. And then you…

…someone to represent you oh, I see so there'd be Ralph in there and so you're sitting back and telling him you now see Ralph in the relationship and it's from outside. And then you see how he remodels it it's remodelled, yes and then you see the other…

…actually standing there to acknowledge the unacknowledged ones or whatever and then he asks you to go. And stand in the position of Ralph in this remodelled field and turn to the unacknowledged one and say you are my aunt, I acknowledge you, and turn to…

…of their professionalism and the educational system has been contaminated by concepts of class struggle class difference, this sort of thing. Ralph What's your take on that? Well I like these visions, revisions as far as they go. I think the initiation mode…

…friends for years, and even longer I've been tight with a mathematician in Santa Cruz named Ralph Abraham Who's a chaos dynamicist and Ralph and Rupert and I did a book together called trilogues at the edge of the west which will be out at the end…

…something else and then something else. It's much better I think if you find an ally who resonates with you to then utilize that. Ralph you deal with all this don't you? Well a couple of things I would just say to that question. One is the first thing…

…they thought they could extract information. Thank you, sure. Oh here this guy. In a recent article, the same magazine that Ralph mentioned, the mushroom article Ralph Metzner wrote an article along with another person whose name I don't recall MDMA, and my…

…Ralph Metzner wrote an article along with another person whose name I don't recall MDMA, and my sense was that you, Ralph, Pretty much extolled the virtues of MDMA for experiences in the generic kind that we're discussing here today Terrence you give…

…situation. Research is going on constantly. A couple of years ago the question was: is MDMA good or bad? Now I think, although Ralph may disagree, the question has become: how bad is it? You have to talk first of all about the psychoactivity and then…

…something else and then something else. It's much better I think if you find an ally who resonates with you to then utilize that. Ralph you deal with all this well a couple of things I would just say to that question. One is the first thing we all…

…aware of an incredible information overload. My problem is having time to read what's already there and the state that Ralph has described people browsing idly through the net, you know finding out amazing nuggets of information here and there, presupposes…

…much more interesting evolutionary situations out of species dense environments than very sparsely inhabited environments and I think what Ralph is saying is that the ideological environment is about to turn into the equivalent of the ramazonian rainforest,…

…of other people, and I just don't see how anyone could navigate through this total overload of creativity. Well that's the thing, Ralph I mean Ruth You've been edited out a lot. If someone's interested in Rupert Sheldrake, their only choice now is to…

…took place, then I think that some of these other problems might be ameliorated significantly most especially crime. And anyway Ralph talked about the four levels on the internet. We're on the web, that's today. Tomorrow there's level five. At seagraph…

…Rupert of the morphogenetic field, mine of novelty theory, and there must be some aspect of all this that we've threatened you, Ralph if the extremely empiricist and positivist criteria were brought to bear. In other words we've all been called soft in our…

…occur in different social balances in different parts of the world. You live in Hawaii and visit places like maui quite frequently. Ralph lives right here in Santa Cruz, California where you only have to mention the name to anyone in England who knows…

…been brought here from over there where we know where the granite is. It's a wonderful story. You mentioned 30 or 40 years, Ralph. I think one way of thinking about this problem is some school of fluff should be given a certain amount of time to…

…have they counted the number of scores they can possibly carry in a full way? Of course this is what graduate students are for, Ralph, this is the work of the study of the Hawaiian islands. Well I'm about it. You can hear models of these birds coming…

…communication it doesn't work. Interspecies: communication makes it all better. Yes, and if we this is an idea again that came up and Ralph and I were talking a couple of days ago we postulate that plants have a kind of dolphin or whale like telepathic…

…from the same problem that I see with it. First of all, instrumentality, the grassroots science you called it 19th century Ralph Grassroots science can be done with rather tangible problems, but if you're interested in the neutrino output of the sun or…

So September the 4th 1991, esalen, dialogue with Ralph on fields, brains and chaos. Even from the conventional point of view it seems to be agreed that the interface between the mind and the brain is the field or fields because even if we take the…

…they have to be the same thing. You know you can push the fractal model to the point of reductio AD Absurdum. Ralph and I were talking about this this morning. Everyone's fond of saying that coastlines and forest distributions and all this stuff are…

…some sense gain a control or prediction over these powers of darkness and the dark unknowable powers or unknown powers. And then Ralph said we can model some of these chaotic processes. That's right, and because we know there might be a large, a small,…

…have been some question as to the pre existence of all mathematical forms. Yes or no, by now there's no question. Well but Ralph, I don't quite understand this. I've heard you argue in the past that mathematics might be culture bound, that we might visit…

…angelic beings associated with the stars. In the 16th century there was a revival of ancient star magic this is something I know Ralph has studied and I hope we can take up John Dee and others connected with particular stars and invoked the spirit of…

…not one at present taken very seriously, if considered at all by the astronomical community, but one which I propose we might do. Ralph what was John Dee? Trying to do perhaps that's a historical fact maybe to fill us in on hmm, yes, well the star…

…and animate makes that more probable then I'm all for it. I think Rupert you and I, and perhaps to some degree Ralph, come out of the influence of the school called organismic philosophy that Alfred North Whitehead and Joseph Needham and l l white…

…guiding us, could be an important clue. But this research project has not even begun. I mean the only pioneer so far has been Ralph and his hot tub. Do you think we should know? I'm not sure that I understood what Ralph said. Neither of you seemed to…

…only pioneer so far has been Ralph and his hot tub. Do you think we should know? I'm not sure that I understood what Ralph said. Neither of you seemed to pick up on it. Did you say you did communicate with something on what you concentrated on? Yes,…

…nature of scientific theory far beyond my own. I couldn't make the judgment at that stage. And then Rupert I believe it was through Ralph contacted me and came by bus to see me. I live in the wine country north of San Francisco and I didn't know what…

…the European Academic was of a corculent elderly, animated person and I projected that and expected that. And when Rupert arrived and Ralph vectored in for that first meeting as well isn't that interesting, that's right and there he was, and I thought I…

…did it he said: I stood on the shoulders of giants. That's how it was done. And to whatever degree the mathematics of Ralph and the theoretical constructs of Rupert have supported my own work and not only my work but the building and maintaining of a…

…I enjoy playing Byron to Rupert's Chalet and hope to do so this weekend. Happy valentine's day to you. Now I'm going to introduce Ralph. I met Ralph in terrace as terrace has described, when I got off the bus at Sonoma was it Sonoma, Santa Rosa? Having…

…Byron to Rupert's Chalet and hope to do so this weekend. Happy valentine's day to you. Now I'm going to introduce Ralph. I met Ralph in terrace as terrace has described, when I got off the bus at Sonoma was it Sonoma, Santa Rosa? Having been sent by a…

…they may arise out of the interaction between chaos and some kind of formative unifying aspect of the cosmic mind, which Ralph has hijacked for the Pythagorean Sect by calling the realm of mathematics. There's an interaction here between these two levels…

…but never actually hearing the symphony. These symbols refer to things which for real mathematicians are intuitions, visual intuitions, and so Ralph helps make that clear. But what interests me is in these attractors. No one else in any other branch of…

…eliminate, because the backwash from that assumption will make the practice of science much more difficult. Nevertheless you know Ralph and his colleagues have been modeling for many years now plant growth dripping faucets, coupled oscillators like groups of…

…and stabilizes. Well I think that the storage in low temperatures is interesting because I think one of the things when Ralph said that mathematics is like language as a modern system, I think there's a very big difference between spoken language and…

…like that and it must be something to do with the feminine aspect of creativity. You see one of the things that Ralph and I were thinking about earlier today we were having a conversation after lunch that we find both masculine and feminine creative…

…as uterus here is a photostat of folio 9b please circle the word you translated and this kind of thing. And Dr Strong's secretary wrote Ralph back and said that he was very old he was in his 90s and he didn't feel he could compose a letter to address…

…was very old he was in his 90s and he didn't feel he could compose a letter to address all these questions, but that if Ralph would come to San Diego he would satisfy him completely. So that was a Thursday, Ralph got a reservation to fly down on the…

…address all these questions, but that if Ralph would come to San Diego he would satisfy him completely. So that was a Thursday, Ralph got a reservation to fly down on the following Monday and Sunday Night the secretary called and said that Dr Strong had…

…vonage text is finally broken it will be trivial the way in which it was encrypted trivial but unexpected in some way. For instance, Ralph made the suggestion to me that grids, where you have a grid which has holes in it when laid over a page shows…

…myself but for the whole planet the reversal of the trend of dying villages and growing cities. Well you must move to occidental, Ralph We'd just love to have you. Yes well I'm stiff, you're right it gives me great satisfaction to know everyone in that…

…ideas. Is this the book that's come out of that? Well there were two of those books of dialogues or trilogues with Rupert and Ralph. The first one was called trilogues at the edge of the west and the new one is called the evolutionary mind and we just…

…previously could barely even be conceived but that now at a rate of millions approaching billions of iterations per second. Ralph works on the mmpp machine, the multiple parallel processing machine at Goddard Space flight center. It does 800 megaflops per…

…be a printhead I mean, could a Wicoto have a hallucination like that where text was going through these variations? Ralph has described to me mathematical hallucinations, you know, drifting parentheses and factorial signatures and all this stuff moving around…

…Well, yeah, we touched on that possibility too. That, I think, is more likely. The AI, I think this is a real issue. Ralph pooh-poohed it. for human beings first of all as someone last night mentioned the famous Turing test which is you call somebody…

…theory implies not that what I or you may do is particularly important but that the human enterprise is immensely And Ralph has pointed out to me that any invention or political movement or religious revelation, any great culture-shaping thing that you can…

…is mind-boggling to me. And... And so it's just a matter of, you know, how do you tell? And I have this argument with Ralph all the time and Rupert because they're both softer than I am. And I'm getting more hard-boiled in my old age because I see…

…further societies, we've come to the end of our road in newtonian space and that's what I wanted to say. I mean wouldn't you agree, Ralph that when we look back over the whole history of life as known to us, what it appears to be is some kind of…

…earth knew or something like that there was an extinction underway when that cometary impact hit and so what I'm suggesting, Ralph is that biology knows this is back to this morning's discussion about homing pigeons biology has a complete three, four…

…was able to foist off and it's totally fulfilled. And yet again the heavens don't fall nor the oceans boil. But I'm telling you Ralph, There's something out there there's something out there and I'll know it when I see it and I expect you at my elbow.…

…flavor, I'm afraid. Yeah we were in a plant culturing class the other day. The definition of hallucination came up and Ralph mentioned it because he's in the class. He was saying for him the distinction between a hallucination being something which isn't…

…the end of the road here. I feel a little guilty that there wasn't more hard botany, but I feel confident that David and Ralph and the other people participating in this course will get this to you. There's a great deal to be learned. There's a great…

…beach of sand. Terence said the land reaches down into the water and Rupert said no the water reaches up into the land. Ralph said it's both water and sand. It's the sandy beach. It's a fractal object. They stood then they walked in the stream. Look,…

…in the stream. Look, said Terence, it circles to the left. No said Rupert, it circles to the right. It's turbulent flow, said Ralph It's a mathematical object it's chaos on the other side of the stream there was no beach, there was a concrete wall. It…

…Rupert said nature has given us a lesson, nature is our teacher and we have learned about the sandy beach. The sun had set. Ralph pointed to the sky look he said they looked and saw there was a silver Stripe in the sky shining there. They hadn't…

…watery the pisces the fish this is biology projected on the sky. Terence said the chaldean astrologers call that the celestial sea and Ralph said it's it's a sandy beach in the sky. Rupert said father sky is our teacher too. Ralph said: well there's a…

…call that the celestial sea and Ralph said it's it's a sandy beach in the sky. Rupert said father sky is our teacher too. Ralph said: well there's a sphere above the sky with the sandy beach in it and a kind of astral projection imprints its shadow on…

…of scientific theory far beyond my own because I couldn't make the judgment at that stage. And then Rupert I believe it was through Ralph contacted me and came by bus to see me I live in the wine country north of San Francisco and I didn't know what…

…the European Academic was of a corpulent, elderly, animated person and I projected that and expected that. And when Rupert arrived and Ralph vectored in for that first meeting as well isn't that interesting, that's right. And there he was, and I thought I…

…did it, he said: I stood on the shoulders of giants. That's how it was done. And to whatever degree the mathematics of Ralph and the theoretical constructs of Rupert have supported my own work and not only my work but the building and maintaining of a…

…So I enjoy playing Byron to Rupert Shelley and hope to do so this weekend. Happy valentine's day. Now I'm going to introduce Ralph. I met Ralph in terrace as terrace has described when I got off the bus at Sonoma was it Sonoma, Santa Rosa having…

…playing Byron to Rupert Shelley and hope to do so this weekend. Happy valentine's day. Now I'm going to introduce Ralph. I met Ralph in terrace as terrace has described when I got off the bus at Sonoma was it Sonoma, Santa Rosa having been sent by…

…book opens or almost opens, and the reason I wanted to talk about it today is because I haven't yet discussed this with Ralph and Terence and the present state of play which I'm going to summarise now, shows that there have been investigations of homing…

…state of the utterly unknown, umm I don't know how they do it either. So I was hoping that by talking about it with Ralph and Terence it might become clearer or possibly even more obscure. At any rate umm it's something that I really want to discuss…

…might it imply what might it tell us? And where would we go from there? And that's the question I wanted to raise with Ralph and Terence. Well, thanks for the question. Maybe I could ask you for just a couple of little details first, when they race…

…back to newton. Newton said time is pure duration. He visualized time as an absolutely featureless surface. We'll now notice. Ralph Aristotle's effort to describe nature with perfect mathematical solids has been abandoned long ago because nowhere do we meet…

…attracted within this field back towards the home which functions as the attractor. This is another. This is where me and Ralph have this different view of attractors. In dynamics things are drawn towards attractors and if the loft is an attractor within…

…previously could barely even be conceived but that now at a rate of millions approaching billions of iterations per second. Ralph works on the mmpp machine, the multiple parallel processing machine at Goddard Space flight center. It does 800 megaflops per…

…thereafter that I was horrified that he had heard me make this reference to him. Well so I was just, you know and Ralph, who was sitting across the table and saw this whole thing go on, leaned across the table and said: you see, the mushroom…

…I'll explain that later. Your fellow trialogers one day drew a line in the sand as the stories started to drag anchor Ralph to Terrence. That is a paranoid fantasy. Overtoning made you into a performer and you gloriously peaked in late 98. But by…

…they're all famous but the trial log of 1998 at uc Santa Cruz and in the movie yesterday you could see the picture of Ralph and Rupert and Terence on stage that's from that trial log from uc Santa Cruz. And this is where and I've spoken with Ralph…

…Ralph and Rupert and Terence on stage that's from that trial log from uc Santa Cruz. And this is where and I've spoken with Ralph about this event this is where both Rupert and Ralph said enough, we're drawing the line in the sand. This stuff has just…

…log from uc Santa Cruz. And this is where and I've spoken with Ralph about this event this is where both Rupert and Ralph said enough, we're drawing the line in the sand. This stuff has just become elaborated and elaborate and elaborate over the last 10…