Nicole here. It seems like an annual event now when Terrence comes. It's very challenging and inspiring for our community, and we're very happy to welcome him back again. Thanks. Well, this is the culmination of a dream of mine and sort of a departure…

…of ideological convenience. Not that it wasn't sincere, but we were drawn together primarily because our ideas were in congruence. Nicole and I, on the other hand, were drawn together primarily because our patterns of intoxication seem to be in congruence.…

…We're going this weekend to talk inevitably a lot about the Amazon, the crisis of conservation in the warm tropics, vegetable medicine. Nicole is a world expert. She's spent over 40 years in the Amazon after a very complex and fertile time spent in the…

…an ethnographer, and a personality of great depth, warmth, and uniqueness. And it's a pleasure to appear here with her. I first met Nicole in 1980 when I was part of an expedition to the Amazon that involved Wade Davis of Serpent and Rainbow fame. And…

…the first edition of her book came out. And I quickly discovered in Iquitos in 1980 that all roads seem to lead to Nicole. If you wanted something done, if you wanted to meet somebody, if you wanted an obstacle cleared away with the Peruvian government…

…something done, if you wanted to meet somebody, if you wanted an obstacle cleared away with the Peruvian government or the university, Nicole was the person to see. And one of my weaknesses is for characters, and I've collected them. In all times and…

…Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake, Nina Wise, Joan Halifax, unique types. I mean, they threw the mold away before they made these people. And Nicole fell into that category. In line with that picture of our mutual love of hell-raising, I have to tell you that we…

…are so this is an opportunity to lead them astray and I'll slyly organize it so that we come around and then it will come to Nicole last before me and then I will tie it all up if I can So why don't we do that just briefly. Before we start, let…

…the unexpected. Yes, Nina. Nina introduced me to my wife and it's been unexpected ever since. I'm really delighted to meet Nicole. I'm Faustine Bray. With Brian Morris, we composed Sound Floating Synthesis in a band called Intuit. We produced Terrence and…

…I'm a work student here. I'm coming from Vienna, Austria. And I'm here in your workshop because I have heard many interesting things about Nicole and you, great things, and now I will find it out myself, what is true about. My name is Anne, and I'm an…

…think of him as the Abraham Lincoln of consciousness, among other things. And it's particularly exciting to have an opportunity to meet Nicole and have a chance to spend some time with the two of them together. I'm Marion. I'm an old friend of Terence's,…

…chance to spend some time with the two of them together. I'm Marion. I'm an old friend of Terence's, and I'm happy to meet Nicole. And I'm interested in the stories about the forest. Good. My name is Randy, and I'm not familiar at all with Nicole, but…

…meet Nicole. And I'm interested in the stories about the forest. Good. My name is Randy, and I'm not familiar at all with Nicole, but I'm familiar with Terence's hands on it, and what we're looking forward to. My name is Diane. I'm an artist and I've…

…events and people, ideas, experiences that help deepen our sacred relationship to class, to all life, and particularly happy to see Nicole here as a welcome, coming back from a women's retreat to see such a fine, distinguished woman here. and thus…

…it always makes me laugh and I always learn something, and I thank you for that. And I look forward to hearing from you, Nicole. My name is Lynx, and I'm happy to be here. I haven't heard either of you speak before. I look forward to it. Thank…

…with this sometime. And I'm here, I'm also an emergency room nurse, and my last name is Terence, and you get to hear Nicole. And I'm Pauline, I'm a psychiatric nurse, and we don't even know each other. And I study different forms of healing, and there's…

…listen to Terence as one of the astral travelers in all those realms. So I'm happy to be here, and it's a pleasure to meet Nicole as well. So, Nicole, why don't you just take a few minutes and say whatever is on your mind? Well, the first thing I…

…one of the astral travelers in all those realms. So I'm happy to be here, and it's a pleasure to meet Nicole as well. So, Nicole, why don't you just take a few minutes and say whatever is on your mind? Well, the first thing I would say, and I ought…

…part of life. And I think it would do us all rather a lot of good to consider the possibilities. What do you think? Sounds good, Nicole. But I'm not going to let you off the hook so easily. I want to bring a little bit of this out. Your name is…

…to take your time and not be in a hurry. I have been sometimes. I got myself thrown out. By being in a hurry. Yes, Nicole is the only white person I have ever met who has been able to convince me that they actually enjoyed being in the jungle. And…

…only white person I have ever met who has been able to convince me that they actually enjoyed being in the jungle. And Nicole does enjoy being in the jungle. Well, why not? There are 10,000 reasons why not. It is the most exciting, the most beautiful,…

…right and you know I don't get that chance very often but I I traveled years later to many of the same places that Nicole describes in her book the The Witch Doctor's Apprentice. And the model, let me tell you, for exploratory writing is you go nowhere…

…course, the mosquitoes are all on duty, too. And then let the evil... No, that is the most important. It's an awful place. Nicole visited La Charrera long before I was there, even before John Sullivan was there. That's how out in front of the pack she…

…of our cultural forms and the vitality of the cultural forms that we see in these so-called primitive, I call them pre-literate, people. As Nicole pointed out, they have nothing, but what they seem to have that we cannot seem to get a grip on is a kind…

…by empowering the presence of experience. The main thing that you get with these so-called primitive, pre-literate people and with people like Nicole who have spent time in this situation is they are in the moment. They know how to have fun. They know how…

…an impact upon us as a global population. This weekend will be different because we will be hewing close to the source. Nicole is a priceless repository of information, more even than she knows. If I could declare her a national treasure, I would. Who…

…woman oldster child the neurotic programming is so deep that it is very difficult to transcend it you see I think and Nicole is certainly a part of this phenomenon that What really has happened, let's just say in the 20th century, is that anthropologists,…

…they have answers to questions that we couldn't even ask until the 1960s. Do you want to say anything about any of this, Nicole? Or shall we ask people for questions? I would like to be asked questions. I like even to be interrupted when I'm talking…

…when he dug it up. And he sang, Dear Senorita Ayahuasca, I am very sorry to have you leave me, but you are going to Senorita Nicole. She will be good to you. She is a good person. You will love us. You will love you very much. Please grow big and…

…he did die a couple of years later but he was still curing people and seeing people and he Well, that reflects on my story. Nicole says he was an awful liar. We went to him. He was in Iquitos, and we said, we want real ayahuasca. We want the real…

…at this point here. okay well what we thought we would do this afternoon is I would talk for a little bit and then maybe Nicole would respond to that if she felt like it and then we would leave more time for questions than we left in the morning I…

…that if she felt like it and then we would leave more time for questions than we left in the morning I think both Nicole and I feel that the fruitful thing the most interesting thing is the questions because left unquestioned I tend to fall into my…

…to build a galactic consensus for life, for life, because it's the only thing we know that has given us self-reflection. So, Nicole, do you have anything to say about that? Well, I believe, Terrence, that you have been given a much wider... experiencing…

…of your behavior. And this image is so horrifying that you modify your behavior forthwith. Yes. Yeah. I would like to ask Nicole, please. I wasn't clear, and I would be very interested in when you experienced, for example, the ayahuasca with the people,…

…Didn't you have a question? No, sorry. Yes. Could you comment on partnership and friendship in shamanic healing? I asked Nicole and she said you knew this. Partnership and friendship... Well, shamans are fairly irascible people, I've noticed. Mursiliad talks…

…that some people want to be bartenders and some people Air Force generals. It's a calling. And in the traditional societies that Nicole and I were involved with in South America, there's always elder shamans who are able to pass this stuff down. Now our…

…Amsterdam in 1544. It'll be told like that. Anecdotes about the quaint medieval practices of the benighted past. Isn't that right, Nicole? Yes. But there's one aspect of shamanism we haven't touched. And that is the ordeal preparation. Why don't you mention…

…was, it is good to challenge the immune system. It is good to challenge the immune system. Did you ever see, Nicole, the people around La Charrera, the Huitoto there, had this really unnerving habit. There are these large metallic wood borers, buprested…

…La Charrera figures in all of that and also talks about his own experiences with contemporary shamans many of whom I'm sure Nicole knew them I certainly knew them did you know that guy Don Apollinaire who lived near Florencia that was Eduardo's friend…

…This is not easy stuff. We'll be back this evening, hopefully, with something a little lighter. Thank you. And thank you, Nicole. You're good. I thank the indulgence of the audience. The audience is intelligent. Morning. Try to move this along and maybe…

…set ourselves up as the crusaders for permanence. But that means softening to the fact of the flow and of the impermanence. Nicole has made the point very eloquently that these people in the Amazon have nothing. The wonderful thing about the Amazon is…

…things are in the process of coming to be and passing away, unto the last syllable of recorded time. Well, that was that. Nicole, do you want to try your own summation? This afternoon I see basically as an opportunity for people to get their final…

…have the full printout in front of me. But these are precisely the same plants that we're involved in. The piri-piris, Nicole has mentioned that there are contraceptive ones, abortifacients and so forth. You can't tell which are which. There's also a…

…growing. But otherwise, I can't tell them apart, and they're chemically very complex. I know. Yeah. No, but the kinds of plants Nicole was talking about... I gave up on those because of this. Because of? because of the fact that there's no difference in…

…think how much time I've spent trying to eradicate it, there's a certain irony. Well, have Dennis go to work on it. Yes, right. Nicole, what do you think about the future of the Amazon? Well, I think that if we can only get the word around there's…

…of the day, always just beat themselves with nettles. And they say it feels great. And there are also, you probably encountered this, Nicole, there is this concept of a culture-specific disease, and there are a lot of these in the Amazon, and a lot are…

…are a lot of these in the Amazon, and a lot are cured by ayahuasqueros. I can't remember the term. You probably know it, Nicole, but when your luck goes off. Oh, ayahuasqueros. I thought it meant I smelled bad, but it didn't. It meant I'd been having…

…you. This is a wrap-up session. I'm going to have to leave at its termination. I want to express my special deep thanks to Nicole, who has performed gallantly and above and beyond the call of duty. Well, I'm a war horse at this, my dear. I feel like…

…dear. I feel like I led... a virgin into a dance hall, but you dance very well. Thank you. My fantasy is to see Nicole become the Mother Teresa of Rainforest Salvation. We'll keep her card playing and heavy drinking off the front pages and sell her as…

…And I, for one, am not ready to stand mute witness to that kind of an atrocity. Do you want to add anything, Nicole? And then we'll take more questions. Anybody out here? We'll take questions now till around three o'clock. Daniel. Well, yes. I mean,…

…keep the just to keep that information secret I think would be a sort of mass murder yes yeah A lot of your stories, Nicole, have involved part of the players in the story have involved an encounter with a physician similar to the one you just told.…

…hope that we can make this planet into a living reflection of the inner dream. Thank you all very, very much. Thank you, Nicole, very, very much. Well, I'm peculiarly useless in this sort of discussion because I have not been in this country enough to…

…So we found that we could bring plants there and propagate them and they would survive, and this is what we've been doing. Nicole was someone that I met in let's see 1980 when I was down there on a joint Harvard University of British Columbia Expedition…

…you call it curing, you call it folk psychiatry or weather prediction. Shamans have been involved in all of these things. But as Nicole was made so eloquently the point last night to these deep forest people it is ordinary. It is ordinary. They live in…

…very fast. What we need to do is merely keep our spirits high and learn to sing the song. That's just something or other. Nicole would you like very daunting? Well don't be daunted here let me give you that. Would you like the little one? Well but…

…konibos their language is almost the same that I am kairuzna I'm immediately accepted as one of them, whereas if I say I'm Nicole, I'm an outsider. The name has power. Now part of that power is something that is very important when you're dealing with,…

…the bottom of the ocean until your contact lenses fall out. So there are techniques and there are moods, something you said, Nicole about the plants being aware of the approach of the match. I had an experience this summer which brought all this home…

…our cultural forms and the vitality of the cultural forms that we see in these so called primitive I call them pre literate people. As Nicole pointed out, they have nothing but what they seem to have that we cannot seem to get a grip on is a kind of…

…by empowering the presence of experience. The main thing that you get with these so called primitive, preliterate people and with people like Nicole who have spent time in this situation is they are in the moment, they know how to have fun, they know how…

…an impact upon us as a global population. This weekend will be different because we will be hewing close to the source. Nicole is a priceless repository of information, more even than she knows. If I could declare her a national treasure, I would. Who…

…You call it curing, you call it folk psychiatry or weather prediction. Shamans have been involved in all of these things but as Nicole made so eloquently the point last night, to these heap forest people, it is ordinary. It is ordinary. They live in a…

…set ourselves up as the crusaders for permanence but that means softening to the fact of the flow and of the impermanence. Nicole has made the point very eloquently that these people in the Amazon have nothing. The wonderful thing about the Amazon is that…

…to have us just move on so that the rainforest, chipmunks, glaciers and schooling salmon could go back to doing what they do best. Nicole, I wanted to talk about the eggs and I have that kind of standing on budget idea and see what you think of it…

…our cultural forms and the vitality of the cultural forms that we see in these so called primitive I call them pre literate people. As Nicole pointed out, they have nothing, but what they seem to have that we cannot seem to get a grip on is a kind of…

…by empowering the presence of experience. The main thing that you get with these so called primitive, preliterate people and with people like Nicole, who have spent time in this situation is they are in the moment, they know how to have fun they know how…

…an impact upon us as a global population. This weekend will be different because we will be hewing close to the source. Nicole is a priceless repository of information, more even than she knows. If I could declare her a national treasure, I would. Who…

…you call it curing. You call it folk psychiatry or weather prediction. Shamans have been involved in all of these things. But as Nicole made so eloquently the point last night, to these deep forest people it is ordinary. It is ordinary. They live in a…

…set ourselves up as the crusaders for permanence, but that means softening to the fact of the flow and of the impermanence. Nicole has made the point very eloquently that these people in the Amazon have nothing. The wonderful thing about the Amazon is…