…Gonzalez Obihe. And as a girl of 18, she had lost her toes and fingers to leprosy. When she finally found, I think, Manuel Cordova Rios, and he cured her with ayahuasca. How this is possible, who knows? But apparently he did this, and she went on to…

…you don't want to get the idea that just because somebody lives way up river that they know what they're doing. Manuel Cordova Rios, in his second book, the Rio Tigre and beyond, talks about going on curare collecting and rosewood collecting expeditions to…

…pounds. One of the shamans, the female shamans that we tried to contact in 76, is this famous woman who studied with Manuel Cordova Rios, the guy who wrote wizard of yom kippur, and her name was Juana Gonzales Oltre. He told us about her she had…