…also if you stay in a field like this, you eventually get to meet everybody. You get to meet Albert Hoffman and Sasha Shulgin and Leary and Lily and all these people, and you begin to have a view of how all these people viewed it. So what I wanted…

…you. That's why it really comes out of these networking situations. Far more important than relating to a distant leader on the subject, Leary or Metzner or me or anybody. It would be much better to have a friend who was moving along the path with you,…

…the dissolving whiteness, the oneness with the unspeakable of Meister Eckhart and that crowd, except in. The Harvard experiments originally with Leary and Alpert. They used psilocybin with these. Well, but they put them in a chapel on Good Friday. Well, so…

…if you stay in a field like this, you eventually get to meet everybody. You get to meet Albert Hoffman and Sasha Shulgin and to Leary and Lily and all these people, and you begin to have a view of how all these people viewed it. So what I wanted to…

Leary. And the whole episode in the 1960s proved it can't succeed if it's waged as a mass movement. It's a hell of a party, but it doesn't in the end. You have to get science. You have to subvert it in some way. I assume the front door is locked.…

…should be brought in on this. This is going to be tremendous. But it polarized. I find it hard to understand. I mean I like Leary very much and Metzner is a close personal friend of mine, but I'm now 42 years old. I'm the age Leary was when he was…

…I mean I like Leary very much and Metzner is a close personal friend of mine, but I'm now 42 years old. I'm the age Leary was when he was fired from Harvard. If I were fired from Esalen, so to speak, my responsibility, the chance would not be a tour…

…of how you will be remembered and I want my ideas my values, the books and the ideas about plants to stand the test. And Leary did a good job, and Wasson and we all are in the same canoe here I could almost claim a fortunate position because I know…

…people? That's correct yes and the simple answer is: there's a lot to be said for going back and looking at the concept that Leary and his colleagues put forth in the 60s of set and setting. Setting is you know you take these things you don't do it…

…society will have to follow. The consequences are as we see it sort of worked it sort of didn't. I know the second guess Leary I think it was very important that millions of people take LSD in the 60s. We needed that. We needed that initial tremendous…

…the psychedelicization, if you will, of society and language seems to me was never blunted and goes on apace and has ever since Leary and Metzner and all those giants back in the stone age dumped LSD on American Society. I see it everywhere: in design,…

…in Heidelberg in 19 around 1910 1914 something. So I went to the university, did some research, found out there was no Mr Leary in Heidelberg between 1900 and 1930. So the whole family was thinking he was in Heidelberg but now nobody knows where he was.…

…the transmission of all the wonderful visions and dreams of our brain to others. So the change from psychedelics to kubernetics for Leary is absolutely necessary. No, says Leary, he hasn't changed at all. Still he was only interested in one thing: in the…

…and dreams of our brain to others. So the change from psychedelics to kubernetics for Leary is absolutely necessary. No, says Leary, he hasn't changed at all. Still he was only interested in one thing: in the strengthening of individuality, in what one…

…communicate better. No priest, no politician, no policeman cares convicts of youth or not. Real computer freaks do not need drugs like Leary still preaches today. They are waiting for cyberspace to really try how it is with a sea virgin. A film by Leary…

…His books or any book of any fantasies and bizarre novels and that kind of thing are part of our society. Also, what Mr. Leary did is fiction? I'm not saying it's fiction, but I don't know how real some of his experiences are. They were his perceptions…

…Let's make it easy for chemists, psychiatrists, doctors, botanists to get their hands on these things and to find out what it's about. Leary and the whole episode in the 1960s proved it can't succeed if it's waged as a mass movement. It's a hell of a…

…of five grams that you have suggested. I is the ego flattening that you talk about the same as the ego death that Leary talks about or something else. I think that this just stems from oh I don't know what miscopying of manuscripts or something. Very…

…be a pretty horrific thing to do. I know someone who did I won't say their name but it was of the original Leary circle and it's quite frightening. What seems to happen with these higher and higher doses of psilocybin is that this alien world just…

…the psychedelicization, if you will, of society and language seems to me was never blunted and goes on apace and has ever since Leary and Metzner and all those giants back in the stone age dumped LSD on American Society. I see it everywhere: in design,…

…of relationship has been extended to all of nature. Now, because of the work of people like Hoffman and Wasson and Metzner and Leary and earlier people, Lewin and others, the 20th century has come full circle. We have dug so deep into the toy box of…

…grips with all of the opportunities and all of the resources that humanity has amassed in its journey from the trees to the starship Leary and the whole episode in the 1960s proved it. Can't succeed if it's waged as a mass movement. It's a hell of a…

…do you see the ultimate danger in that that say fell upon well I don't want to put you in the same camp but people like Leary and you're spreading the word to the masses now. Well, yes, a couple, three years ago I was doing one of my as you say…

…most likely. Well but don't you think burrowing from within strategy might have gotten further like I believe that the reason Leary decided to use LSD in the Harvard experiments was because Michael Hollingshead made the case to him that they could…

…others? That's correct yes and the simple answer is: there's a lot to be said for going back and looking at the concept that Leary and his colleagues put forth in the 60s of set and setting. Setting is you know you take these things, you don't do it…

…basis never really experience this or they rarely experience it because they don't structure the circumstances, they don't organize what Leary called the set and setting properly in order to have this come to their attention. Most people take mushrooms and…

…that sex on psychedelics is the Mount Everest of the experience and it's rarely mentioned for some reason. I remember what was it Leary, years and years ago he was interviewed and oh there was something I know it was when they broke the story, the…

…know it was when they broke the story, the pseudo story that LSD cracks chromosomes. It wasn't true. So then they came to Leary and said they're saying LSD cracks chromosomes he said: well go back and tell them it causes orgasms which last two hours.…

…they're saying LSD cracks chromosomes he said: well go back and tell them it causes orgasms which last two hours. You know Leary Understood the information more he understood how you know they tell a story you tell a story. Maybe we should. We're close…

…larger than the law of gravity, the speed of light, the second law of thermodynamics all these are little laws, what Leary used to call local ordinances. But these local ordinances have now been contextualized in a discovery of such import that it…

…the dissolving whiteness, the oneness with the unspeakable of meister Eckhart and that crowd except in the Harvard experiments, originally with Leary and alport, they used psilocybin with these well but they put them in a chapel on good Friday. But that's…

…should be brought in on this. This is going to be tremendous but it polarized. I find it hard to understand. I mean I like Leary very much and Metzner is a close personal friend of mine, but I'm now 42 years old. I'm the age Leary was when he was…

…I mean I like Leary very much and Metzner is a close personal friend of mine, but I'm now 42 years old. I'm the age Leary was when he was fired from Harvard. If I were fired from esalen, so to speak, my response would not to be a tour of…

…playing the tapes from his collection. So to the young man who recently wrote to say that the salon already had enough McKenna Leary and the occupy movement, well it looks like you may have to find another podcast to keep you company because for some…