…how about a drug which just allows you to remember your dreams? That alone might throw open a whole new world of possibility. Kathleen yeah, so if you could get in there, we might solve our drug problem. Because with, because I think that probably every…

…you have sex on psychedelics, you know, there's an incredible enhancement and reciprocal feedback into that. But I don't know, Kathleen. I'm thinking of the concrete practice where that energy, that regenerative energy is conserved. So at the moment of…

…said they're the lesser lights. I've seen it many times unusual that it should be caused by a plant but there you have it yeah Kathleen when we were foragers and the DMT was in plants, did that affect our nervous system or did it have to have the MAO…

…it's like you know the answer here it is what to do with it and I don't know what to do with it. You know, Kathleen could you find other mixtures that extend that experience besides imos now, or is that the main thing? Any MAO if your MAO is…

…your impending gum surgery, divorce, bankruptcy? And you're just saying you know I was touching god, do you mind? So yes Kathleen, There's another thing about a person: it should be someone that you value and trust, you know their integrity, but preferably…

…kind of jiggled loose and then it was like oh, oh wow what a bummer that was. Yeah that's what it's like it's a nightmare, Kathleen. I think that mixing is an effort to force a certain kind of content that we get addicted to and I've come to believe…

…to western values that we don't know where to begin or who to blame or who to condemn on a deal like that. And as Kathleen makes the point, we're part of the problem. This trade in organs would not exist if it weren't for people like you and I who…

…this weekend and I very much wanted to come in and learn as much from you as I could. Great, I'm glad you're here, Kathleen. I'm Kathleen and I just investigate consciousness whatever's in front of me you know however it's given to me and I hang out a…

…and I very much wanted to come in and learn as much from you as I could. Great, I'm glad you're here, Kathleen. I'm Kathleen and I just investigate consciousness whatever's in front of me you know however it's given to me and I hang out a lot when…

…I've just seen before they wax very poetic about it but the catalogs are almost as much fun as the plants. That's fantastic, Kathleen, You're on the ball, thank you. Let's continue along the wall for a bit here. My name is lee, I'm a composer and…

…same condition as that bullfrog. We're sitting in that pail of water and god damn it it's going to blow us. This is Kathleen. I just wanted to slide in a plug for anything that houses consciousness and that we seem to be overlooking the innovative…

…to work to evolve language ever more rapidly so that we can communicate these modalities. I think that's a lot of what Kathleen Heron is trying to put together to Express these experiences. It doesn't totally violate them and rip them apart. It's a very…

…they're the lesser lights. I've seen it many times, unusual that it should be caused by a plant but there you have it. Yeah Kathleen when we were foragers and the DMT was in plants, did that affect our nervous system or did it have to have the MAO…