…own mind or do you think it's part of external reality or the same? Somehow we're asking the wrong question here. I talked to John Mack you know who he is he's the guy at Harvard Who's so interested in the that now the new thing is fetal removal…

…hysteria. So let's create a drug which inside the drug we will be able to deal with people. And I was hoping that John Mack, Who's an expert on UFO Abductions would be here this weekend. I expected him because I think this whole abduction thing is not…

…Holcomb. And I've spent time, I've argued with Bud Hopkins, I've had lunch with Whitley Strieber, I've argued vociferously with John Mack, and these people are second-class thinkers. You would not send them to investigate a bus accident. I'm sorry that this…

…cannot understand it by consuming it from the media. Because all these people that you hear about, Jacques Vallée and Bud Hopkins, and John Mack, the gods of this, do you think they would stand out if they were sitting here in this room? Do you think…

…realize the implications of being abducted by an alien spacecraft? I don't think I would be satisfied to just tell my story to John Mack and become case number 232 and then sit back and let him handle the public relations fallout of it. These people do…