…hallucinogenic shamanism is decadent or, in fact primary, and mursiliad took the position that hallucinogenic shamanism was decadent and Gordon Lawson very rightly I believe, uh contravened this view and held that actually it. Was very probably the presence of…

…and various hallucinogenic substances it uh came to my attention that in my opinion and I believe in the opinion of Gordon Lawson and uh other scholars, Henry Munn comes to mind. He wrote a marvelous essay called the mushrooms of language, that in…

…able to push this thing into the mountains of Oaxaca so that it only survived in a few villages until Valentina and Gordon Lawson went in the 1950s and found it there and the metaphor I like for that, another metaphor. You see balance these explanations.…

…being shown the same things and when you take psilocybin just with one other person, you're lying together, be mushroomed as Gordon Lawson says, you have the feeling you know that you're just flowing there together and sometimes you can even one person can…