…to mind that I would say mentored me or worried about my intellectual unfoldment in the directions that I finally followed was Eric Younge, who some of you may know, probably not most. He wrote a number of books: design for evolution, the self organizing…

…viennese have their fingerprints all over the entire thing. I mean you know the freudians, the positivists, Wittgenstein and his school and Eric Younge, Paul Feyerabend, all those anarchist people came out of u of v and he was part of it that's as far as…

…just a nuisance that can be fixed by hiring lots more programmers? Well I sort of came up under the tutelage of Eric Younge and one of the things he was always insisted upon was what he called metastability, which boiled down simply means most systems…