…involved with. That's right and wasn't tobacco also viewed that way initially? Yes, tobacco is a very similar case. The anthropologist Eduardo Luna has pointed out that tobacco, which had a history of millennia of use in the new world, was within a hundred…

…have different potencies and different takes on the same kind of message. This gets to the teacher part. A friend of ours Eduardo Luna, interviewed a number of shamans in the jungle. They used this term plant teacher in Spanish as we've come to use it…

…have to take very seriously this more outlandish stuff. I mean where do you draw the line? You know, and ayahuasca is you know Eduardo Luna who some of you know is very keen to insist that what ayahuasca is really about is where you get on if you…

…different potencies and different takes on the same kind of message. This gets to the teacher part. The a friend of ours Eduardo Luna, interviewed a number of shamans in the jungle. They used this term plant teacher in Spanish as we've come to use it…