…in ayahuasca sessions Kat isn't here So she can't tell the story, but some of you may recall the story. In Don Fidel Mosavite's circle, he had a nephew. This guy was worthless. He was a small-time weed dealer, part-time pimp, mostly ne'er-do-well. But…

…sobrino, the shaman's nephew, he couldn't just be tossed out. And he would come to these ayahuasca sessions, And the shaman, Don Fidel, Don Jose, the old guys, would sing these beautiful songs in Quechua. And he would sing against them. He would sing…

…saw was these red darts come out of her eyes and go across the room. The singing stopped. Yes, the singing stopped instantly. And Don Fidel turned to one of the old guys and said, she sends the... And the other guy said, yes. And it was just this...…

…and she had a stomach problem and we got out in there into the trip and she was complaining about her stomach problem and Don Fidel listened to all this and finally he said, you're having an affair with a man and your husband doesn't know and this is…

…aliens would he see and use in? Though. The only really close relationship I've had with a shaman in the Amazon was with Don Fidel Mozambite in 1976. And we spent a couple of months living very near him in the house where they had ayahuasca sessions…

…even interested. They were interested in what they would call understanding. The same thing which drives a scientist, they say. I mean, Don Fidel, who I took most of my ayahuasca with, we would take it on Saturday nights with a group of about 40 people…

…told the story of this ulcer in the meeting, in this amazing liquidity voice in the darkness. And after she was finished, Don Fidel just sat. And then he said, you're having an affair and you're concerned what will happen when your husband finds out…

…psychedelic effect, like a dancer, almost as little as possible to get the job done. You know, they don't I don't think. That of Don Fidel. I think that in that one case, he certainly was a lion ant. He did also seem to hold the mushroom in the sort…

…drumming. I've never seen a musical instrument at an ayahuasca session. Everything is voice, voice, voice and that's what they're into. Don Fidel is a good example. Many of you have probably heard his tape. But there are many such practitioners. They also,…

…there are many such practitioners. They also, in the curing process, use very sharp sounds and in fact when you talk to don Fidel he has a very animated style that is not the macho Spanish style at all. His speech is punctuated with all these…

…drumming. I've never seen a musical instrument at an ayahuasca session everything is voice, voice, voice and that's what they're into. Don Fidel is a good example many of you have probably heard his tape, but there are many such practitioners. They also,…

…there are many such practitioners. They also, in the curing process, use very sharp sounds and in fact when you talk to don Fidel he has a very animated style that is not the macho Spanish style at all. His speech is punctuated with all these…

…if that's possible, that's right that's right. The ayahuasquero that kat mentioned that we like so much and worked with in Peru Don Fidel, he lived off this road when we knew him a few miles down this trail and we would go over there often…