…aliens would he see and use in? Though. The only really close relationship I've had with a shaman in the Amazon was with Don Fidel Mozambite in 1976. And we spent a couple of months living very near him in the house where they had ayahuasca sessions…

…even interested. They were interested in what they would call understanding. The same thing which drives a scientist, they say. I mean, Don Fidel, who I took most of my ayahuasca with, we would take it on Saturday nights with a group of about 40 people…

…told the story of this ulcer in the meeting, in this amazing liquidity voice in the darkness. And after she was finished, Don Fidel just sat. And then he said, you're having an affair and you're concerned what will happen when your husband finds out…

…psychedelic effect, like a dancer, almost as little as possible to get the job done. You know, they don't I don't think. That of Don Fidel. I think that in that one case, he certainly was a lion ant. He did also seem to hold the mushroom in the sort…

…drumming. I've never seen a musical instrument at an ayahuasca session. Everything is voice, voice, voice and that's what they're into. Don Fidel is a good example. Many of you have probably heard his tape. But there are many such practitioners. They also,…

…there are many such practitioners. They also, in the curing process, use very sharp sounds and in fact when you talk to don Fidel he has a very animated style that is not the macho Spanish style at all. His speech is punctuated with all these…

…drumming. I've never seen a musical instrument at an ayahuasca session everything is voice, voice, voice and that's what they're into. Don Fidel is a good example many of you have probably heard his tape, but there are many such practitioners. They also,…

…there are many such practitioners. They also, in the curing process, use very sharp sounds and in fact when you talk to don Fidel he has a very animated style that is not the macho Spanish style at all. His speech is punctuated with all these…

…if that's possible, that's right that's right. The ayahuasquero that kat mentioned that we like so much and worked with in Peru Don Fidel, he lived off this road when we knew him a few miles down this trail and we would go over there often…