…to be known. And when you feel out into it, I think these kinds of general principles are what emerge for you. Wasn't that what Bateson was all about? Yes, it was. It was what a lot of people have been all about, I think. It's just restating it for…

…of information. So it's the difference that makes a difference. I mean, this is standard sensory physiology. It's not just Bateson. It's that sensory systems work on differences. And sensory perceptions are all based on differences. So you become sensually…

…of everything together. You know there have been lots of haggles ever since the 1940s about defining information. In fact Gregory Bateson in this very room offered one of the best definitions of information. He said information is any difference that makes…