…you known Timothy Leary at that time? I've known Timothy Off and on since 1964. That was before you were at playboy. Yes, I interviewed Tim. I met Tim because I wanted to, but I had to have a rationale. So I got an assignment to do an interview with…

…Leary at that time? I've known Timothy Off and on since 1964. That was before you were at playboy. Yes, I interviewed Tim. I met Tim because I wanted to, but I had to have a rationale. So I got an assignment to do an interview with him for a…

…fact, which rejected the interview and I sold it to another magazine called the realist. But that's how I got to meet Tim Originally. I guess you started picking up on his more recent ideas when they came out. Were you following the developments of…

…the developments of his brain? I read the interpersonal diagnosis of personality back around 60, I don't know before I met Tim Anyway and the interpersonal diagnosis made a tremendous impact on me. I've been interested in psychology all my life and I…

…formulations always include about 20 different schools of psychology and one new system of language that ties them all together. I think Tim is one of the great masters of metaphor, and so I find Tim's Formulations enable me to translate from Freud into…

…from both of them into behaviorism and from that into sociobiology and then relate it all to quantum physics. I think Tim is the great unacknowledged genius of our time because he's been so controversial politically most people don't realize the profundity…

…There's a lot more to Timothy Leary Than that vulgar image. The 8 circuits of the human nervous system that's a model that Tim created while he was being supported by the people of California. Tim has always said that he's grateful to the State of…

…8 circuits of the human nervous system that's a model that Tim created while he was being supported by the people of California. Tim has always said that he's grateful to the State of California for giving him those years of free food and lodging in…

…and so on. I think it's a marvelously all inclusive theory. Although I don't think it's the last word, I agree emphatically with Tim himself, who says that in 15 years it will be obsolete and there will be a better system of psychology, but it's the…

…by you or him or someone else very immodestly I recommend my book Prometheus rising, and if that sounds too narcissistic I'll quote Tim himself as saying that I sometimes explain his theories better than he does. Let's go all the way back. Where did you…

…software and hardware and some group put out a leaflet outside saying that Leary and I were both CIA Agents and I showed it to Tim because I knew it would amuse him and he said: gee I wish this was legal evidence I could make the CIA pay me for…

…about the technology of today. Can you tell us a little bit about your history your background with this man. Well I've known Tim since 1964 and this is a fascinating example of the difference between image and reality. The Timothy Leary I know is one…

…a technology that'll help people get over their fixed ideas without terrorizing them. And since LSD research has been forbidden Tim has been looking for other ways to help people liberate themselves from fixed emotions, fixed ideas, rigid reality tunnels,…

…Pattern and then learn how to program that into your head and you can have a head just like John Lilly. Get Tim Leary. Tim is arranging to have his head frozen when he dies. You know, before Tim's head is frozen we need to get a complete readout…

…head is frozen we need to get a complete readout on that and then you just program the computer properly and you have Tim Leary's head. Einstein is dead unfortunately but there are a lot of other choices around. I'd like to have David Bohm's Brain…

…the crowd and we are on the verge of something wonderful and it's an honor for me to be here and thank you very much, Tim, Tim, Tim, stay on stage. We're doing q a so I'll be calling everybody else out. Okay, now I'd like to call up our previous…

…crowd and we are on the verge of something wonderful and it's an honor for me to be here and thank you very much, Tim, Tim, Tim, stay on stage. We're doing q a so I'll be calling everybody else out. Okay, now I'd like to call up our previous…

…and we are on the verge of something wonderful and it's an honor for me to be here and thank you very much, Tim, Tim, Tim, stay on stage. We're doing q a so I'll be calling everybody else out. Okay, now I'd like to call up our previous speakers for…

…up our previous speakers for the evening: Dr Robert Anton Wilson, Myron Kruger and Eric Gullickson now before oh okay sure, now. Well Tim can you hang on for just one second after all you got while we're handling the question and answers what we're going…

…60s and was based on Robert Heinlein's Novel stranger in a strange land. It was started by a psychiatric social worker named Tim Zhou, who decided that even though this religion came from a science fiction novel it was worth having a church based on…

…rented the unicorn to Donovan Bailey. He's renaming him Douglas Cypress or whatever. Have you heard about that unicorn, Lancelot? Well now Tim is down in the South Pacific looking for a mermaid. I figure anybody who can find a religion based on a science…

…Tim's house and they were sitting out in the veranda and having a beer and as we left they're parting comments to each other. Tim said: bob I think that you are the greatest unrecognized philosopher and genius in the world and bob said: no, I think you…

…parts of the nervous system like the nervous system up to the latest and beyond the nervous system to a circuit that Tim sometimes calls metaphysiological which I prefer to call non local because I think it is the circuit described in the non local…

…it but right now it's not illegal tonight. And I've only had time for one more question if they told me so, as tiny Tim said god bless us everywhere thank you. Thank you very much for coming. There will still be a workshop tomorrow called the future…

…on things that nobody had. You know that he could only have himself in a way and try to teach other people about. Tim said when they put him in solitary confinement he said he realized this was either going to be hell or a learning experience.…

…and took care of it controlled his own way of dealing with the cancer and partied all the way until he collapsed. When I visited Tim in prison I always went with the thought: no I've got to cheer him up I mean that's the way I started. I got over…

…Yeah the last time I visited Leary I was teaching at an NLP workshop in los angeles. I went up to Beverly Hills to see Tim One more time. Everybody knew he was going in a week, two weeks something like that. Just as I left I said, Timothy, I want…

…the funniest man I've ever met. I've met Buckminster Fuller and I still think you're the most intelligent man I've ever met. Tim, You're wonderful. Tim looked at me and said: bob you're an excellent judge of character. That was the last conversation we…

…I've ever met. I've met Buckminster Fuller and I still think you're the most intelligent man I've ever met. Tim, You're wonderful. Tim looked at me and said: bob you're an excellent judge of character. That was the last conversation we ever had. I like…

…com website and I was wondering if you could comment on that. The way I understand it and I was fairly close to Tim he tried to persuade the FBI he was giving them valuable information and the FBI Finally decided he wasn't giving them enough valuable…

…rented the unicorn to Barnum and bailey's ringling brothers circus or whatever. You've heard about that unicorn, Lancelot, Ah yeah well now Tim is down in the South Pacific looking for a mermaid. I figure anybody who can found a religion based on a…

…me Robert Everybody else calls me bob I don't know why he always called me Robert and he said that everybody called him Tim Instead of Timothy. He always called me Robert. And this email said: dear Robert how are you doing? I'm doing fine over here…

…on illuminatus I ever heard. He said: basically what you show is that there are 24 conspiracies on whatever level you look. And Tim said: I discovered that when I was in folsom. I realized that in folsom there were 24 different gangs fighting over the…

…decided to go into other fields of research when they were driven out of the area of research that interested them. Tim, of course went on he went on the lecture circuit and went around the country trying to inquisitorial and restricted scientific…

…fugitive when he arrived there. And just to digress a moment it's a funny story which some of you may not know. Tim invented the Leary Interpersonal diagnostic grid in 1957, which is the most widely used diagnostic test in American Psychology today, and…

…which is the most widely used diagnostic test in American Psychology today, and it's used by the California Prison system. And when Tim arrived in the California Prison system, or as he prefers to say when the people of California rewarded him with several…

…to be a heretic, invent the test that the authorities are using so you know how to find your way around them. Since Tim got out of prison he has sagaciously applied himself to the development of computer software. He has one computer game on the market…

…the market already and he's bringing out another soon. And so that was one of the benefits of banning LSD research. It took Tim Longer than most to figure out how this country was being run but he would probably never have gotten into computer software…

…write letters occasionally. We may be working together on a movie in the near future but that's still in the negotiating stage. Tim is currently working on a second computer game. His first computer game did well enough that he's got the confidence that…

…think you're the most intelligent person I've ever met. I've met George Carlin and I still think you're the funniest person I've ever met Tim, you are wonderful. And he looked up at me and he said bob you're a great judge of character. And off I went.…

…now we're all going to sit shiver on national TV for him and he's not even dead yet that's going to be great. Yes but Tim believes everything should be fun. When he was in prison I used to visit him fairly regularly to cheer him up. Every time he…

…and he climbed a rope and went to prison. Okay we have to take a break but we're going to be talking about Tim Throughout the hour. Dream on is an exploration of one man's struggle to comprehend the churning miasma of late 20th century existence. That…

…not that I'm the one to make this, but you know kids on colleges all the time now talk about acid. Oh we did acid. Tim himself told me there has not been acid. Any of you kids out there who think you're doing acid you're doing a bunch of shit.…

…said that original batch of acid, what they called the ousley acid that was the acid and when that was gone it was gone and Tim Couldn't get it and if he couldn't get it believe me you kids are not doing acid. Wait a second isn't it on record the…

…than every other drug out there I mean it is there's nothing like it. I have some literature. I have some literature that I Tim would be proud right now. I mean I'm sorry he's not here to participate. He's here in spirit. Yes he is, we'll always be…

…today and somehow the subject of drugs slipped into the discussion. Let me just take the devil's advocate position because I've been with Tim a few times on the street where I, you know have people come up to him and most of it's positive but once…

…it's too fine, too fine a distinction because of the setting. I think there is potential for danger and I've argued this with Tim many times. I said maybe your physiology no you've never taken it. Well he said the same thing. Well you know what he…

…way of looking at it. Of course we don't look at it exclusively like that but actually we have an article you told me you took Tim to church the other day. Yeah I took Tim to church it was funny now he was never a churchgoer, not for 30 years. A…

…at it exclusively like that but actually we have an article you told me you took Tim to church the other day. Yeah I took Tim to church it was funny now he was never a churchgoer, not for 30 years. A late in life conversion yeah late in life very…

…he laughed and yankee moved in Colgate Plus the odd looking super cleaning, comfy feeling toothbrush. Okay, tomorrow we're going to have Tim Green Laura Ingraham, Chuck booms and chuck willery now we have just a little bit of time. I wanted to ask what…

…going to have Tim Green Laura Ingraham, Chuck booms and chuck willery now we have just a little bit of time. I wanted to ask what Tim may have said to all of you that may have had some meaning. Once he said to me: I'll never forget this he said my…

…time I see him and that's that's enough and I love him too. I think the thing that's not particularly well understood about Tim is he's a Great Irish poet. He's a cross between Samuel Beckett and Marshall McLuhan and he's also a great storyteller. I…

…cross between Samuel Beckett and Marshall McLuhan and he's also a great storyteller. I remember I was driving him one night and I said: Tim how come you don't have a car? He said oh I've driven for 60 years, won't drive anymore. I said oh I forget how…

…beginning of the computer networking space tends to disappear. Time shrinks and space disappears. I don't know I've got to hear Tim talk about that subject today. Maybe he offers something very important there he often does. Yes, oh neuromancer. I haven't…

…tends to be fiction in which governments have very, very little power as opposed to corporations. It's one of the things Tim Burry has talked about. It's how the emphasis is very much switched to corporations are publicly perceived as having radically more…

…software and hardware and some group put out a leaflet outside saying that Leary and I were both CIA Agents and I showed it to Tim because I knew it would amuse him and he said gee I wish this was legal evidence I could make the CIA pay me for…

…the suggestion that you can solve them, well people using that software are very happy and creative people, just like people playing Tim Leary's mind bearer game. Some of the machines you'll see in the back there will show you some of what's possible now.…

…at all about anybody. What are your feelings on that? I, after all these years I'm still, I'm sorry to say undecided. I think Tim Desperately wants to get out of prison. I think he pushed the line pretty far. I'm not sure if he crossed it or if…

…25 go ahead. Hi I know this isn't an advice show but I could use a little advice from tom. Recently I got a letter asking Tim that I was nominated for this great honor and a couple days later I got a letter, a follow up letter on that and it turns…

…and they were sitting out in the veranda with the sun having a beer, and as we left they're parting comments to each other. Tim said: bob I think that you are the greatest unrecognized philosopher of genius in the world. And bob said: no, I think you…

…but right now it's not illegal to me and I've only had time for one more question if they told me so, as tiny Tim said, god bless us everywhere, thank you. Thank you very much for coming. There will still be a workshop tomorrow called the future…

…man I ever met. I've met George Carlin and I want to tell you I still think you're the funniest man I've ever met. And Tim sat there in his wheelchair and looked up at me with that arrogant grin that annoyed all of his critics so much and said: bob…

…lecture I thought you were pretty cool I didn't get a chance to talk to you for a very long time you know. But I know Tim and these guys and whatever but I think let's get this right down to the bottom line of all of this and cut through this…

…cow piss. And what this means is somebody who wears a tie. I was on with Tim Leary at Carlos and charlie's Sunday and Tim said nobody ever wears a tie except when they're trying to collect a paycheck. I thought that was one of the most profound…

…a tie except when they're trying to collect a paycheck. I thought that was one of the most profound observations I've ever heard from Tim. One of these people who wears ties is going to get called in one of these days and they're going to tell him…

…out of prison within an hour? Because wherever he gets busted he's always a hundred light years from any lawyer. That's one of Tim Leary's jokes. I don't care who I steal from. Yes do you, bob seriously see any solution to the problem in Ireland? In…

…think you're the most intelligent person I've ever met. I've met George Carlin and I still think you're the funniest person I've ever met Tim, you are wonderful. And he looked up at me and he said: bob you're a great judge of character. And off I went…

…to silence them. I think Tim Leary has made one of the best contributions to gonzo sociology in the last month or so. Tim pointed out in a letter to the newspaper that even if we get this constitutional amendment that bush wants, whereby people can be…

…fall of the roman empire and Adam and eve falling because of the forbidden fruit and humpty dumpty falling off the wall and Tim Finnegan falling off the wall in the old Irish drinking song from which the book takes its title and the dreamer falling…

…wake everything refers back to the dying and resurrected god and adonis is one of the dying and resurrected gods along with Christ and Tim Finnegan and osiris and so on. Well when we think of Finnegan's wake now, do we have a sort of a trend that we…

…of the cross backwards which is a Catholic Ceremony which has to do with death and resurrection, which takes you back again to Tim Finnegan falling off the wall and rising at his wake and the whole fall and rise theme. And the 14 stations of the…

…he rented the unicorn to Barnum and bailey's ringling brothers circus or whatever. Have you heard about that unicorn, Lancelot? Well, now Tim is down in the South Pacific looking for a mermaid. I figure anybody who can found a religion based on a science…

…question about Tim Leary. I've often thought that perhaps one of your most important contributions was the clarity with which you expounded Tim Leary's Eighth circuit model. Obviously you did a great job at that, thank you. What was it like for you, kind…

…Tim Leary's Eighth circuit model. Obviously you did a great job at that, thank you. What was it like for you, kind of knowing Tim and working with that and putting that out? Well the biggest thrill I ever got as far as that's concerned is when Tim…

…knowing Tim and working with that and putting that out? Well the biggest thrill I ever got as far as that's concerned is when Tim told me you describe my ideas more clearly than I can myself. I think that's the highest praise you can get from a genius…

…my ideas more clearly than I can myself. I think that's the highest praise you can get from a genius and I did consider Tim a genius. Do you still feel his in Prometheus Bound you talk about the fact that it's the most complete map of reality in…

…was getting sentenced for his scientific ideas and yet the scientific community didn't pay any attention at all. But that's hardly surprising. Tim told me once that it was a turning point in his life when the books of Wilhelm Reich were burned in an…

…from the scientific community at that time amounted to 18 psychiatrists who signed a petition protesting against this. That changed. Tim told me that changed his whole attitude towards the psychiatric and psychological professions and I think it changed my…