…E.J., and I admire his work, and I wish I had met Gary Jeff. And maybe I was Zuspensky, but actually I think Ringo Starr was Zuspensky. If you ever see The Magic Christian, it's a great film. And how many people here have seen The Magic Christian?…

…crazy novel. And I think it's the way they adopted it, it's actually about Gurdjieff. Peter Sellers is playing Gurdjieff and Ringo Starr is playing Ouspensky. And you can see that in a lot of scenes, especially every time Ringo Starr says to, as…

…is playing Gurdjieff and Ringo Starr is playing Ouspensky. And you can see that in a lot of scenes, especially every time Ringo Starr says to, as Ouspensky says to Peter Sellers as Gurdjieff, what business are we in, Dad? That's the kind of question…

…the Gurdjieff School. Peter Sellers was playing Gurdjieff. The character he was playing was based on Gurdjieff and the character that Ringo Starr was playing was based on Ouspensky. And people after the movie they were telling me and I never realized it…