…that these people believe in what they're doing these hypnotherapists most of whom are self appointed uh most of the there's John Mack at Harvard who has real credentials. There's another guy called Dr David Jacobs who uh has credentials as a historian but…

…called the prophets conference a few months ago. It had a lot of distinguished people like Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut John Mack of the department of psychiatry at Harvard a whole bunch of distinguished people. They all got very polite applause. And…