…saw what happened to him yeah but I don't know what happened after Kennedy. Do you know about the pope? Nixon was a mason. Ford was a mason. Jimmy carter was a mason. Ronald Reagan was a mason. Apparently, George bush isn't but he's in skull and bones.…

…don't know. There's two books that I can only speak to one was the book of the damned. If you read it, by Charles Ford Yeah I think that's the one about all the stuff that's rejected by rational science. Yes I've read all of Charles Ford's books, and…

…out there are four seagulls. The four seagulls are matt mark luke and John. But they're also the four lawyers that ford Madox Ford turned that chapter over to when he wanted to print part of Finnegan's wake in the transatlantic review and Joyce sent him…

…to when he wanted to print part of Finnegan's wake in the transatlantic review and Joyce sent him that chapter and ford Madox Ford was able to decipher enough of it to decide that it was possibly actionable under the obscenity laws. So he had four…

…you've got the four evangelists telling their version of it and you've got the four lawyers trying to explain to ford Madox Ford whether or not it's obscene. Laughs, which is a typical joyceian structure in Finnegan's wake that's simpler than some but in…