The following program is a zycon international audio presentation. Joseph you recently did a week long seminar with Stanley Kellerman and I'm very interested and I'm sure some of our listeners are interested in knowing how you and Stanley came together…

…to find out how you came together. Well it's something that's meant a lot to me, meeting and knowing and working with Stanley Kellerman, whom I now very, very greatly admire. The first meeting was just about a year ago and it was sam Keane who…