…me he's very close to that thought. The life of his life is the Christ. Can I ask you, Joseph about the works of Carlos Castaneda and don Juan and there's been some points raised in fact I was talking to someone about it this morning regard to the…

…match up to the anthropological roots of someone who'd been studying the yaqui Indians kind of thing. And I'm wondering how you see Castaneda and don Juan and your experience of those books well I read only the first book. I had the others on my shelves…

…that. Oh there are a lot of good things in there that I recognize from sort of shamanistic wisdom around the world and I think Castaneda, he is a first rate anthropologist in the first place to be able to do this and then he knows how to write. And…

…or not I think that's a technical that's an irrelevant question but you see it as you see the description of don Juan by Castaneda as being in tune with the shamanistic practices that you're familiar with I do indeed I would say, is the shaman in the…