…empty. On the other hand I was in Boston and lecturing with Robert Bly a couple of days ago and right next door was Billy Graham and he had an enormous public. So I don't think one can say that for great masses of people in this country the…

…and the charisma who can deliver it and he does and they respond. So there is that but I don't know I've never heard Billy Graham and I don't know what he does with the message. But people are in quest all over the place. Now the great thing that…

…empty. On the other hand I was in Boston and lecturing with Robert Bly a couple of years ago and right next door was Billy Graham and he had an enormous public. So I don't think one can say that for great masses of people in this country the…

…and the charisma who can deliver it and he does and they respond. So there is that but I don't know I've never heard Billy Graham and I don't know what he does with the message. But people are in quest all over the place now the great thing that…