Anthropologist David Graeber's three interviews on This Is Hell!, talking about fun, bureaucracy and bullshit jobs. RIP David.

Dan replays two interviews Chuck did with the late, great David Graeber, the first about his book on bureaucracy "The Utopia of Rules," the second on the book "Bullshit Jobs." https://www.mhpbooks.com/books/the-utopia-of-rules/ https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bullshit-Jobs/David-Graeber/978